Guest neesy111 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 There has been no stage this season where Cabaye has been 'shit' compared to Guthrie. There's been times where Guthrie has matched and sometimes outshone Cabaye's ability on the ball in games, but that's it. It's as if people are just completely ignoring the vast difference in both players when it comes to ground covered, pressing, positional play, tackling, tactical awareness etc etc. I'm not taking anything away from Guthrie who's had a bit of a breakthrough season in his career but it's just ridiculous hyperbole. Guthrie is dreadful off the ball and he was a common defactor in the games against Fulham and Spurs where our midfield was completely over-ran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I still can't believe some people actually considered putting Guthrie ahead of him a few months back. You mean when Cabaye was playing s*** and Guthrie was playing really well? Never mind. Worked out alright. when cabaye wasn't at his best he was still very good defensivly, at his best guthrie is a decent passer with no defensive capabilities at all. if you play central midfiled you have to be a brilliiant passer (cabaye type from yesterday) all the time to be worth carrying as half a midfielders game is defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I still can't believe some people actually considered putting Guthrie ahead of him a few months back. When playing in a normal 4-4-2, Guthrie's probably the more suited player to that system. Different system, different situation. What? Where he has to run and do more work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think you're being harsh on Guthrie. His work-rate has been lightyears better than previous seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think you're being harsh on Guthrie. His work-rate has been lightyears better than previous seasons. hasn't been effective though, he hasn't the footballing brain for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Love seing Cabaye play in this role, where he belongs! Will score 10+ goals next season me thinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Play him more advanced all the time and he will get double figures in goals and assists easily. Next season he will be immense. He's a very classy player, he has it all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 http://t.qkme.me/3owo0v.jpg Do your worst http://www.quickmeme.com/Lovely-Cabaye/ Should be - Sleeps with wife Wish I was my wife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Love seing Cabaye play in this role, where he belongs! Will score 10+ goals next season me thinks. I said this ages ago, he is brilliant in a 3 in the middle, spent his whole career in France playing that way (his words), when its just him and Tiote he gives up a lot of his creativity to chase the ball. With Tiote and Jonas giving him license to roam its been lovely to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 http://t.qkme.me/3owo0v.jpg Do your worst http://www.quickmeme.com/Lovely-Cabaye/ Should be - Sleeps with wife Wish I was my wife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 IIRC the season where he scored quite many for Lille (was it 15?) he played in a more advanced position like for us now, but after that Hazard started taking/getting more space and a bigger role for them, that meant that Cabye got a deeper role and maybe not as offensive. (i know that Hazards starting position on paper was the same as Ba's mostly, but in a quite free role) Anyone who can confirm this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Love seing Cabaye play in this role, where he belongs! Will score 10+ goals next season me thinks. If he continues like this he could do it this seasson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 On the Guthrie/Cabaye debate. I still think Guthrie technically and vision wise is on par with Cabaye but Guthrie's engine lets him down. I think fate will see Cabaye become a great footballer who plays on the European stage, where as Guthrie's football will be played at another club, where he will prosper IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 On the Guthrie/Cabaye debate. I still think Guthrie technically and vision wise is on par with Cabaye but Guthrie's engine lets him down. I think fate will see Cabaye become a great footballer who plays on the European stage, where as Guthrie's football will be played at another club, where he will prosper IMO. i don't think guthrie could spot or execute that ball yesterday, or the type of ball for ba's first at norwich, the ball for cisse at swansea or the break at WBA for ben arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I had basically just drafted that exact same post madras, even down to the same incidents highlighted. Quite eery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Gaydar is beeping Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 On the Guthrie/Cabaye debate. I still think Guthrie technically and vision wise is on par with Cabaye but Guthrie's engine lets him down. I think fate will see Cabaye become a great footballer who plays on the European stage, where as Guthrie's football will be played at another club, where he will prosper IMO. i don't think guthrie could spot or execute that ball yesterday, or the type of ball for ba's first at norwich, the ball for cisse at swansea or the break at WBA for ben arfa. I think he could TBH, he's a clever lad. Although, i must say Cabaye seems to be getting better by the week and will most likley surpass anything Guthrie will achieve. I'm a big fan of Guthrie though, he will be a very good player for most sides in this league (should he leave). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 He hasn't really done it at any point of his NUFC career though. He's picked out some cracking raking passes into players in space before (Coloccini last season, Carroll a few times in the Championship) but nothing like those that madras listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Our second goal yesterday is so fucking sexy man, even before Cabaye gets the ball. But that run and that pass, it's world class stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I didn't even watch the finish, once Cisse got the ball. I just looked at the linesman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Not sure if Giggs, but Sned's just posted this on Twitter: http://i39.tinypic.com/e9dcba.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 That's even pre-giggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Not sure if Giggs, but Sned's just posted this on Twitter: http://i39.tinypic.com/e9dcba.jpg Definite like it was made in the summer before the season started, i used to have it as my Twitter profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 IIRC the season where he scored quite many for Lille (was it 15?) he played in a more advanced position like for us now, but after that Hazard started taking/getting more space and a bigger role for them, that meant that Cabye got a deeper role and maybe not as offensive. (i know that Hazards starting position on paper was the same as Ba's mostly, but in a quite free role) Anyone who can confirm this? I remember a French journalist saying that he played in the Frank Lampard role when he scored all the goals but that the following season, he was playing further back in a more defensive role and that was the reason he had scored a lot less goals that season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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