Demba Ba (now retired)

[Cajun]

If he's telling the truth then Pardew has some serious questions to answer 

 

If Ba doesn't care where he plays as long as we win then why change something that was working so well?

 

Think pardew believes a manager of the year award gives you license to act like a cock.

 

Because if he had moved Ba out on the wing with Cisse in the goalscoring form he has shown this season we would have been flying?

[BONTEMPI]

If he's telling the truth then Pardew has some serious questions to answer 

 

If Ba doesn't care where he plays as long as we win then why change something that was working so well?

 

Think pardew believes a manager of the year award gives you license to act like a cock.

 

Because if he had moved Ba out on the wing with Cisse in the goalscoring form he has shown this season we would have been flying?

 

Might have panned  out like that yes. The negative formation and tactics he replaced it with has slowly eroded the players confidence.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Cisse's goalscoring form this season is mainly due to lack of service and the most creative players being a lot deeper than they was during his goalscoring exploits.

 

Of course now confidence comes into play but that wasn't the case when the season started and we can't magically change back now due to the shift in morale, injuries and lack of coaching to play that way.

 

We will just have to plod along ( for lack of a better term) and hope we can pick up points until the players are back fit and hopefully we bring some new blood in January and Pardew grows a set.

[Cajun]

Yep Cisse has definitely missed the chances he has had down to formation

[Dinho lad]

I don't remember Cisse missing that many clear cut chances. It's been mainly crap long/first time shots.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Yep Cisse has definitely missed the chances he has had down to formation

 

Never said formation.... i said tactics.

 

Besides what chances? i have hardly seen him in the box all season long and has been constantly isolated.

 

He was probably 1 on 1 with the GK more times in his first 5 games for the club than he has been all season.

[Cajun]

He has missed a few sitters and been offside a stupid amount of times. Not sure how that is down to formation.

 

I think he is a quality player who is too good not to find form but let's not get silly.

[Guest neesy111]

Our service to Cisse this season has been an utter disgrace.

[Dinho lad]

He has missed a few sitters and been offside a stupid amount of times. Not sure how that is down to formation.

 

I think he is a quality player who is too good not to find form but let's not get silly.

 

Examples?

 

Can't argue with infuriating offsides. Last season he was doing them as well.

[Big Geordie]

Our service to Cisse this season has been an utter disgrace.

 

Quoted for the truth.

[Cajun]

It has, as has it been to Ba. Changing formation wouldn't have changed that either imo. It would have just meant our in form forward is playing out of position.

 

Playing 4-3-3/4-5-1 wouldn't suddenly stop the players from their pathetic passing this season, they haven't failed because they are having to try more adventurous passes, they have just failed to make simple passes and look lazy putting in half arsed attempts without bother to look up.

 

That is down to the management and coaches to snap them out of but moving our only real goalscorer this season wouldn't have done any good, we just wouldn't have scored as many as we have.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that.

 

Cisse needs service and quite frankly the service has been abysmal and i never said anything about formation i use to complain about the formation but quite frankly the tactics and rigid set up of the team and our most creative players acting as defensive players which have been the reason why Ba and Cisse have been isolated.

 

I think 2 strikers can work but not in the rigid set up with no off the ball movement and telling Cabaye and Ben Arfa to do more tacking than dribbling and passing.

 

 

[Jack Flash]

Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that.

 

What?! You miss the last 6 months of last season?

 

Prepare to get battered, Cajun. That's not a popular view.

[Ronaldo]

Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that.

 

He's scored from at least 7 crosses that I can think of since he signed, dude.

[Cajun]

I am, my views are never popular

[Mole_Toonfan]

Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that.

 

What?! You miss the last 6 months of last season?

 

Prepare to get battered, Cajun. That's not a popular view.

 

Comparing this season where you have extremely deep crosses with hardly any one in the box to distract defenders to last season where Cisse Ba and Cabaye would all be in the box and Ben Arfa wasn't standing on the half way line protecting Simpson is hardly the same thing.

 

As i said i have hardly seen Cisse in the box all season and we all know the reason for that....

[Ronaldo]

2 out of his 4 goals this season have cone from crosses. It's not right to suggest he can't benefit from them.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Maybe so but i'd argue Ba is much more adept than Cisse at scoring from crosses especially deep crosses where he has to beat a defender in the air or/and outmuscle him that's not Cisse's game.

 

Anyway....

 

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[Ikon]

Contract turned down?

[madras]

Maybe so but i'd argue Ba is much more adept than Cisse at scoring from crosses especially deep crosses where he has to beat a defender in the air or/and outmuscle him that's not Cisse's game.

 

Anyway....

 

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struggling to remember that happening even once.

[Mole_Toonfan]

For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view.

 

 

[Cajun]

Paper Desperate To Fill Some Space Recycles Tired Story.

[madras]

For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view.

 

 

the first one was straight down the middle (not back post) and i can't remember any challenge. the only back post header either has scored was cisse v liverpool. the second goal wasn't outmuscling anyone, he read it better and was there first.

[Mole_Toonfan]

For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view.

 

 

the first one was straight down the middle (not back post) and i can't remember any challenge. the only back post header either has scored was cisse v liverpool. the second goal wasn't outmuscling anyone, he read it better and was there first.

 

If we go back to my original post on the matter i talked about crosses and flicks on which regards to long ball.... Ba is better at all that in my view.

 

Anyway i'll leave it at that i stated my opinion on it and that's about all there is to it really.

[Elliottman]

DEMBA Ba has turned down Newcastle United’s latest contract offer, The Journal can reveal.

 

The Senegal striker’s advisers have been involved in negotiations with the Newcastle board for several months but have been unable to come to an agreement, with Ba’s wage demands currently the stumbling block.

 

That led to the latest offer – believed to have been tabled more than a fortnight ago and involving a significant pay bump for the striker – being turned down by the Newcastle forward’s representatives. That raises the possibility of Ba (pictured left) activating his £7.5million release clause in January, although the indications are that the player himself would prefer to stay on Tyneside, where the coaching staff are desperate to see the influential forward remain.

 

There are no indications that Newcastle are ready to withdraw their offer and instead are taking a similar approach to the one that eventually found an agreement with captain Fabricio Coloccini after painstaking negotiations last year. But the forward’s representatives will have to lower their wage demands to push through a deal.

 

Ba’s advisers want an agreement in excess of £80,000 a week, which would make him one of the club’s top earners. But Newcastle will not go to that and have compiled a list of back-up options if he does leave.

 

The problem for the striker is that, while £7.5million does represent a good deal for interested clubs, there are additional costs and fees which mean that the deal is worth much more than just activating the release clause.

 

His record is bound to prompt interest from home and abroad. A potential move to Turkey last season did not materialise but Liverpool have scouted the striker over the past few months, while Harry Redknapp was interested in the player when he was Tottenham manager.

 

Quite whether Ba is prepared to swap Newcastle for another club in January is another matter entirely.

 

Reports yesterday claimed a rift between the striker and Senegalese compatriot Papiss Cissé, but sources at St James’ Park have painted Ba as a model professional and the ongoing negotiations have had little effect on his form, which has see him hit eight goals so far this campaign.

 

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

In the meantime, the first priority for Pardew is to arrest a four-match losing run that has left the board expressing “concern” at the team’s precarious position. Wigan are tough opponents and despite a much-improved performance against Stoke there are unique demands on the team as they face the Latics tonight.

 

He said: “It’s tactically a different game but that doesn’t mean we can’t dictate the agenda. The agenda of the game is us at home and we have to push to win because our form performances have let us down this year.”

 

The Magpies have the chance to avenge last season’s FA Cup exit after they were drawn away to Brighton and Hove Albion in yesterday’s third-round draw. Mike Williamson’s own goal gave the Seagulls victory in January’s fourth-round tie.