Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually scrub that last post, "Ashley sympathising" as usual...silly me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Okay, that's fair enough. Is this talking about transfers alone though or is this everything at the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 That's just transfers, doesn't include for example, stadium costs (£40m to redevelop St James in 2000). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Already posted...twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Mackems 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/1992-to-2011.html minus http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html If we think that between 1992-2006, we spent £260m and brought in £120m, and the wages and loss we were operating at around that time, you can see why lately the money's had to come back in. What? How insanely irrelevant. What's what we were spending nearly 20 years ago got to do with now? We've had different three owners since then man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/1992-to-2011.html minus http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html If we think that between 1992-2006, we spent £260m and brought in £120m, and the wages and loss we were operating at around that time, you can see why lately the money's had to come back in. What? How insanely irrelevant. What's what we were spending nearly 20 years ago got to do with now? We've had different three owners since then man. More recently though was the £50m year (Boumsong, Emre, Parker, Owen, Luque, etc) which misses that table by one year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Of which over 65% of came in one transfer - last January. Stats can tell any story you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually scrub that last post, "Ashley sympathising" as usual...silly me. Straw man-tastic, you're being accusing you of nothing. All I'm saying is that there's no real excuse for the lack of investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Is that we've made £53m more than we've spent? Wow Of which over 65% of came in one transfer - last January. Stats can tell any story you want. And if we had an ambitious enough owner, after this summer that wouldn't be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html Fucking hell. Worse than I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually scrub that last post, "Ashley sympathising" as usual...silly me. well yes, actually. because up until Shepherd screwed things up in Robson's last year or Souness's first (depending on how you look at things) we were the 2nd best run club in the premiership in financial terms, with 2nd lowest wages to turnover ratio, regularly breaking even and often making good profits, regular european monies, a stable debt tied to season tickets, and a massively increased turnover and capacity for generating funds through tickets, corporate, merchandise, sponsorship etc compared with 92, all testament to the fantastic job SJH and Shepherd did. using the total expenses of the 92 to 2006 era to justify Ashley's frugality is one of the more silly and crude attempts i've seen, though i suspect you did so knowing all that. If we're looking for excuses, stick to using the final couple of years where Shepherd lost the plot, or, even more relevant, Ashley's own ineptitude which has cost him far more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I'd actually even kind of accept a sell before you buy policy. Let the manager spend whatever he brings in. Christ, they can't even manage that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually scrub that last post, "Ashley sympathising" as usual...silly me. well yes, actually. because up until Shepherd screwed things up in Robson's last year or Souness's first (depending on how you look at things) we were the 2nd best run club in the premiership in financial terms, with 2nd lowest wages to turnover ratio, regularly breaking even and often making good profits, regular european monies, a stable debt tied to season tickets, and a massively increased turnover and capacity for generating funds through tickets, corporate, merchandise, sponsorship etc compared with 92, all testament to the fantastic job SJH and Shepherd did. using the total expenses of the 92 to 2006 era to justify Ashley's frugality is one of the more silly and crude attempts i've seen, though i suspect you did so knowing all that. If we're looking for excuses, stick to using the final couple of years where Shepherd lost the plot, or, even more relevant, Ashley's own ineptitude which has cost him far more. Going back that far back was stupid without a doubt, but go back 18 months and that table makes more sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Speaking as someone who knows very little about the ins and outs of the club's finances, presumably we're one of the most financially stable clubs in the Premier League? If not the most economically sound? I suppose... just to grasp at straws... if that is the case, a benefit from Ashley's frugality is that it makes the club/business/franchise more attractive to prospective buyers? Whilst the current reluctance to spend/blinding lack of ambition is infuriating, especially in light of the Carroll windfall... i reckon i could stomach a preference towards freebies (and maybe even a couple high profile departures), if it provided a guarantee that the cunts would fuck off within a couple years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll, sorry. We could have done the business we have this summer anyway and still have a cracking centre forward to score the goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll. Sorry. Proof will be this season when we see what Carroll's done at Liverpool, and what Erding & Ba have done here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll. Sorry. Proof will be this season when we see what Carroll's done at Liverpool, and what Erding & Ba have done here. We could have signed Ba anyway, and probably wouldn't even need Erding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll. Sorry. Proof will be this season when we see what Carroll's done at Liverpool, and what Erding & Ba have done here. Sound like we've already signed Erding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll, sorry. We could have done the business we have this summer anyway and still have a cracking centre forward to score the goals. Starting to lean that way myself now like. Only reason I'd have let him go was to spend the money (preferably on Sturridge and Zoggy) and I know I said I'd give them until the end of the window, but I can't see anything spectacular happening in the next month. [/massive u-turn] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The justification for the Carroll bid being 'too good to turn down' was that the money would be used to improve the first team and squad. I whinged all along about not selling him at any price and lots of people assured me that not only would we easily replace Carroll's goals with that money, we'd have loads left to significantly overhaul the squad and would do so. I'd still rather have kept Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 None of this is convincing me it was the right thing to do to sell Andy Carroll. Sorry. Proof will be this season when we see what Carroll's done at Liverpool, and what Erding & Ba have done here. We could have signed Ba anyway, and probably wouldn't even need Erding. But if Carroll doesn't live upto his price tag at Liverpool and Erding does a job here, that justifies it imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 We've nearly been outspent by Wigan in the last 6 years ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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