Dr Venkman Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 He is a RB. Not a LB. Based on what? His inability to use his left foot, i think he would be much more comfortable on the right. he does use his left foot. you think maldini, lahm etc would be more comfortable on the right. i'm not saying he is or isn't this or that just the idea of ' he's right footed so should play on the right ' is s****. Lahm can tackle with his left, so could Maldini, Santon cant do that. He will always look to tackle with his right, which leaves him exposed and vulnerable when the man goes to the byline.... You cant use Maldini's ability as reasoning for playing him LB. can't really remember anyone going past santon on the outside when he hasn't been done for positioning (more naive than owt else) Off the top of my head, downing did. whats he doing over there, the left footed downing ? Gotta pick you up on that. There's a huge difference between natural sided wingers and fullbacks. Fullbacks see more of the ball generally and very often right at the start of the team having possession the ability to push it up the line into space after receiving it from the centre half is really important. I mean staying in possession btw, not just a first time pass up the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 He is a RB. Not a LB. Based on what? His inability to use his left foot, i think he would be much more comfortable on the right. he does use his left foot. you think maldini, lahm etc would be more comfortable on the right. i'm not saying he is or isn't this or that just the idea of ' he's right footed so should play on the right ' is s****. Lahm can tackle with his left, so could Maldini, Santon cant do that. He will always look to tackle with his right, which leaves him exposed and vulnerable when the man goes to the byline.... You cant use Maldini's ability as reasoning for playing him LB. can't really remember anyone going past santon on the outside when he hasn't been done for positioning (more naive than owt else) Off the top of my head, downing did. whats he doing over there, the left footed downing ? Playing on the right, going down santons left..... thats my point about not judging players by what foot they are supposedly strongest on, downing is left footed. your theory would say he should be on the left also i don't remember downing doing him time and time again or are you picking on one occasion, if you do i'll claim jose getting burned off by routledge a few times when qpr played up here in the championship season. Downing is a winger. You cannot draw parallels. He doesn't have to defend, that logic is deeply flawed. My want to play santon on the right, is due to defensive reasoning, not attacking. As when a player attacks he may dictate which foot he uses, when you are defending, you do not. Downing is not forced to attack on his right foot is he..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 if santon plays rb who plays lb? i'd much rather play santon rb, given that he has experience playing there, than simpson or ryan taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 if santon plays rb who plays lb? i'd much rather play santon rb, given that he has experience playing there, than simpson or ryan taylor. Preferably a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 if santon plays rb who plays lb? i'd much rather play santon rb, given that he has experience playing there, than simpson or ryan taylor. santon has more personal experience playing LB. at RB simpson has more expreince than the other two together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 i felt that most of santon's problems today were due to lack of experience, not what side he was on. he kept giving the ball away under no pressure once we conceded our first goal, which is a sign of bad decision making not being played out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 He is a RB. Not a LB. Based on what? His inability to use his left foot, i think he would be much more comfortable on the right. he does use his left foot. you think maldini, lahm etc would be more comfortable on the right. i'm not saying he is or isn't this or that just the idea of ' he's right footed so should play on the right ' is s****. Lahm can tackle with his left, so could Maldini, Santon cant do that. He will always look to tackle with his right, which leaves him exposed and vulnerable when the man goes to the byline.... You cant use Maldini's ability as reasoning for playing him LB. can't really remember anyone going past santon on the outside when he hasn't been done for positioning (more naive than owt else) Off the top of my head, downing did. whats he doing over there, the left footed downing ? Playing on the right, going down santons left..... thats my point about not judging players by what foot they are supposedly strongest on, downing is left footed. your theory would say he should be on the left also i don't remember downing doing him time and time again or are you picking on one occasion, if you do i'll claim jose getting burned off by routledge a few times when qpr played up here in the championship season. Downing is a winger. You cannot draw parallels. He doesn't have to defend, that logic is deeply flawed. My want to play santon on the right, is due to defensive reasoning, not attacking. As when a player attacks he may dictate which foot he uses, when you are defending, you do not. Downing is not forced to attack on his right foot is he..... did downing take him to the cleaners or are you talking about one occasion, like i say i'm citing routledge doing jose (whom we'll call the standard) a few times up here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy the Irish Magpie Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Santon has played left back for both inter and Italy NT. he hasn't often been played a rb that suggest he is indeed a left-back. No it doesn't. The abilities of a player are the deciding factor in a players best position, not where managers choose to play them due to the needs of the team. As it happens we need him to play left back right now. With regards to Madras saying he hasn't been beaten on the outside, I'd go further and say his key attribute in defending on the left is the ability to intercept passes between him and Colo with his right, that's the benefit of him being on that side. Does it matter anyway if he's a lb or rb. I'll make peace here and just say he's both with no preference. Not as if there's a massive difference between the two positions anyway they're practicably the same. It's not like we're arguing over whether he's a striker or centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 He is a RB. Not a LB. Based on what? His inability to use his left foot, i think he would be much more comfortable on the right. he does use his left foot. you think maldini, lahm etc would be more comfortable on the right. i'm not saying he is or isn't this or that just the idea of ' he's right footed so should play on the right ' is s****. Lahm can tackle with his left, so could Maldini, Santon cant do that. He will always look to tackle with his right, which leaves him exposed and vulnerable when the man goes to the byline.... You cant use Maldini's ability as reasoning for playing him LB. can't really remember anyone going past santon on the outside when he hasn't been done for positioning (more naive than owt else) Off the top of my head, downing did. whats he doing over there, the left footed downing ? Playing on the right, going down santons left..... thats my point about not judging players by what foot they are supposedly strongest on, downing is left footed. your theory would say he should be on the left also i don't remember downing doing him time and time again or are you picking on one occasion, if you do i'll claim jose getting burned off by routledge a few times when qpr played up here in the championship season. Downing is a winger. You cannot draw parallels. He doesn't have to defend, that logic is deeply flawed. My want to play santon on the right, is due to defensive reasoning, not attacking. As when a player attacks he may dictate which foot he uses, when you are defending, you do not. Downing is not forced to attack on his right foot is he..... did downing take him to the cleaners or are you talking about one occasion, like i say i'm citing routledge doing jose (whom we'll call the standard) a few times up here. The routledge enrique case is irrelevant. Thats performance related, not foot related. No, downing didn't take him to the cleaners. But he did have the beating of him on a few occasions, where his inability to tackle with his left gave away set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Santon has played left back for both inter and Italy NT. he hasn't often been played a rb that suggest he is indeed a left-back. No it doesn't. The abilities of a player are the deciding factor in a players best position, not where managers choose to play them due to the needs of the team. As it happens we need him to play left back right now. With regards to Madras saying he hasn't been beaten on the outside, I'd go further and say his key attribute in defending on the left is the ability to intercept passes between him and Colo with his right, that's the benefit of him being on that side. Does it matter anyway if he's a lb or rb. I'll make peace here and just say he's both with no preference. Not as if there's a massive difference between the two positions anyway they're practicably the same. It's not like we're arguing over whether he's a striker or centre back. Fair one mate, fwiw I think we're in for a treat if we bring 'another' left back in :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 if santon plays rb who plays lb? i'd much rather play santon rb, given that he has experience playing there, than simpson or ryan taylor. santon has more personal experience playing LB. at RB simpson has more expreince than the other two together. when i said rb i meant lb (the 2nd time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 He is a RB. Not a LB. Based on what? His inability to use his left foot, i think he would be much more comfortable on the right. he does use his left foot. you think maldini, lahm etc would be more comfortable on the right. i'm not saying he is or isn't this or that just the idea of ' he's right footed so should play on the right ' is s****. Lahm can tackle with his left, so could Maldini, Santon cant do that. He will always look to tackle with his right, which leaves him exposed and vulnerable when the man goes to the byline.... You cant use Maldini's ability as reasoning for playing him LB. can't really remember anyone going past santon on the outside when he hasn't been done for positioning (more naive than owt else) Off the top of my head, downing did. whats he doing over there, the left footed downing ? Playing on the right, going down santons left..... thats my point about not judging players by what foot they are supposedly strongest on, downing is left footed. your theory would say he should be on the left also i don't remember downing doing him time and time again or are you picking on one occasion, if you do i'll claim jose getting burned off by routledge a few times when qpr played up here in the championship season. Downing is a winger. You cannot draw parallels. He doesn't have to defend, that logic is deeply flawed. My want to play santon on the right, is due to defensive reasoning, not attacking. As when a player attacks he may dictate which foot he uses, when you are defending, you do not. Downing is not forced to attack on his right foot is he..... did downing take him to the cleaners or are you talking about one occasion, like i say i'm citing routledge doing jose (whom we'll call the standard) a few times up here. The routledge enrique case is irrelevant. Thats performance related, not foot related. No, downing didn't take him to the cleaners. But he did have the beating of him on a few occasions, where his inability to tackle with his left gave away set pieces. the jose bit is totally relevent, a player just does another player now and again. from what i've seen it's as likely downings movement and the pass to him got him past santon than downings footwork preying on santons 'inability' to tackle on that side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 has to learn to whip in crosses with his left, and that rather quickly. We soon got two strikers ready why like their crosses to come in between keeper and defender. He can't fanny about as much as he does atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Still looks a bit naive defending, but class going forward. Not sure if it was on here, but I did read a piece a week or so back, where he said he was a striker as a youngster and only really started playing full back to cover injuries in the first team! Has a bit to learn, but he is one of the most exciting prospects we've had in ages. To join in the is he a right back or left back argument. I would like to see us sign a left footed full back, play Santon on the right, keep R.Taylor as back up and sell Simpson if he doesn't want to sign a new deal. I don't rate him much, but he is ok as back up I supppose and would rather we keep him. But I can see us getting rid the way his contract talks are going, . Especially if we end up signing a centre back that can cover one of the full back positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 has to learn to whip in crosses with his left, and that rather quickly. We soon got two strikers ready why like their crosses to come in between keeper and defender. He can't fanny about as much as he does atm. Out entire formation is basically about not getting crosses in. Almost all of our wide players play on their wrong foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 has to learn to whip in crosses with his left, and that rather quickly. We soon got two strikers ready why like their crosses to come in between keeper and defender. He can't fanny about as much as he does atm. he has to learn when he cuts in around the box to now and again give it a crack. fairly sure he could've got two or three this season had he not bottled the shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Sorry but his positioning at left back is utterly dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Not convinced with him, early days and does put in the effort but needs a lot of coaching on the LB role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Is it just me or is he always better at home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Potential is such that he's worth keeping in the side while he learns. He certainly needs to focus more on the defensive side though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Is it just me or is he always better at home? I've thought that like. Dying to see him at RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 He does need work on the defensive side of his game like. Still young so he has plenty of time to learn and develop. He'll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Need to get him playing at RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Not convinced by him at all defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Not convinced by him at all defensively. Same, colo had to cover for him far too much last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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