STM Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 He's average defensively, which will improve. He's good but not great in the final third. However he's excellent at getting from one end to the other, he would make a great wing-back IMO but only a muppet would play with wing backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Juventus say hi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Juventus say hi. people are really against 3 at the back with wing backs because of past experiences. Football changes and more and more teams are using wing backs, hell our defenders practically act as wing backs now anyway look how high Santon and Debuchy are in a game. Anyway on Santon, i don't think he's a bad defender( as i have seen a few people say) he's actually a very good defender when concentrated the problem at the moment is he has lapses in concentration which lead to terrible positioning. Hopefully its another thing which will come with experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Wigan's back 3 can really unnerve teams as they end up with wing backs and 3 forwards running at a defence behind the midfield and it can cause massive problems. On the other hand sometimes doesn't work at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Formations are over-rated personally, Man Utd play a very effective 4-4-2, Alot of teams 4-3-3. It is the fluidity of positions and movement on the pitch that really identifies a teams style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Formations are over-rated personally, Man Utd play a very effective 4-4-2, Alot of teams 4-3-3. It is the fluidity of positions and movement on the pitch that really identifies a teams style. I agree formations are, systems and style of play how ever are very important. Honestly formations only matter when you're defending. When you attack you shouldn't have any set positions. How ever though, Man Utd don't play 4-4-2 and haven't done for a long long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Debatable. It's pretty much a 4411 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 RE formations being important, depends on the game, I think we're quite often victim of players getting between the lines when they play someone in the hole behind the striker(s). Aston villa away despite the win in first half nzogbia was very threatening frequently found in huge space in front of defence but behind midfield (perch's fault as holding player imo, he should have been tracking him), while that's the most recent example I can think of I've spotted it a fair amount this season. Formations essentially don't matter if it's evenly matched all over the pitch, the reason formations can be important is if you can exploit weaknesses in the other, if you don't, which is quite often, then it's all about playing styles etc. Common example is 4-4-2 vs 4-3-3, and the subsequent battle between one team dominating midfield, the other with width. They can be completely misleading though, quite often man u or man city, and Spurs at time line up 4-4-2 on paper but the players move about so much it's not really important, what's important is where the players operate. Santon lacks concentration, he's still very young and will surely improve. When he's actually defending he's fine, got a lot of speed on him, and calm on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Fergie has said he's never played a 4-4-2 with two proper strikers. ATM it's definitely a 4-4-1-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Fergie has said he's never played a 4-4-2 with two proper strikers. ATM it's definitely a 4-4-1-1 Pretty sure he did with Cole and Yorke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Fergie has said he's never played a 4-4-2 with two proper strikers. ATM it's definitely a 4-4-1-1 Pretty sure he did with Cole and Yorke. That was my first reaction but that's what he said according to Marcotti. But when you think about it, Dwight Yorke was an excellent all-round footballer. He scored a lot of goals but his overall footballing intelligence was excellent, he was the reason Cole became a success at Man Utd. By the time he was at S'land, he had become a midfielder so there's validity to the original statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Harsh qualification format that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPalAl Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Fergie has said he's never played a 4-4-2 with two proper strikers. ATM it's definitely a 4-4-1-1 Pretty sure he did with Cole and Yorke. Yep. But we all know Fergie is going senile. He has simply forgot about that. Old twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Fergie has said he's never played a 4-4-2 with two proper strikers. ATM it's definitely a 4-4-1-1 Pretty sure he did with Cole and Yorke. Yep. But we all know Fergie is going senile. He has simply forgot about that. Old t***. Old b******. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Not in the europa league squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Much needed rest probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I wanna see Haidara! davide does indeed need a rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Affy Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I absolutely love it when Santon paces up on the wing but he needs to improve his defending - I would even say play Santon LM and play Haidara LB. Plus gives us a chance to see what Haidara can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Because a fullback can attack don't mean he should be used on the wing.... if we got our hands on Dani Alves he would be used as an Right-Forward ffs Anyway a much needed a rest for him, hopefully Haidara comes in and we get to see what he's all about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Affy Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Because a fullback can attack don't mean he should be used on the wing.... if we got our hands on Dani Alves he would be used as an Right-Forward ffs Anyway a much needed a rest for him, hopefully Haidara comes in and we get to see what he's all about. LOL I wasn't saying play him there permanantaly - its just hes easily better than Gutierrez at the min. But still would like to see him play LM for a game like and anyways its his natural position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjen Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Because a fullback can attack don't mean he should be used on the wing.... if we got our hands on Dani Alves he would be used as an Right-Forward ffs Anyway a much needed a rest for him, hopefully Haidara comes in and we get to see what he's all about. Not necessarily, but there's no reason not to give it a shot if/when Haidara is ready to make the step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Because a fullback can attack don't mean he should be used on the wing.... if we got our hands on Dani Alves he would be used as an Right-Forward ffs Anyway a much needed a rest for him, hopefully Haidara comes in and we get to see what he's all about. LOL I wasn't saying play him there permanantaly - its just hes easily better than Gutierrez at the min. But still would like to see him play LM for a game like and anyways its his natural position Tbf Gutierrez shouldn't be playing full stop, we have much better options than Santon on the wing..... Santon's strength is picking the ball up from deep and driving into space if he played on the wing this strength would be eradicated as he would have no space to run into. I'm just really against attacking fullbacks moved into wingers just because they can attack, especially considering how effective attacking fullbacks are. Anyway i understand what you are saying i just disagree with it, for one Santon doesn't have the end product as of yet to be effective there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Mole's on a roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Like Jonas he's needed a rest before we even played Brighton... When's his bairn due out of interest?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 @lee_ryder: AP: "Santon has a sore ankle and is the only player who hasn't travelled." #nufc #metalist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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