ponsaelius Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Ba scored more today than Carroll has in 2011. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Ok I am gonna reset the poll and add Ba now. For record, at the point of reset, the voting was 82.4% (75 votes) for Best and 17.6% for Carroll (16 votes). Maybe the mods can change title of the thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. The thread title is Best v Carroll, I think Carroll is by far the better of the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. The thread title is Best v Carroll, I think Carroll is by far the better of the two. Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? Strikers get judged on how many goals they score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? In the case of Carroll vs Best (over this season)? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Strikers get judged on how many goals they score. Has anybody said that they don't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? In the case of Carroll vs Best (over this season)? Yes. Then last season Nolan was a better player than Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? In the case of Carroll vs Best (over this season)? Yes. Then last season Nolan was a better player than Rooney. In terms of getting goals yes he was (for last season). Rooney last season was atrocious (especially early on), Ameobi was probably better than him. In any case not sure the point you are making, 'striker's like Best and Carroll's main responsibility is to 'strike' (duh) and score goals and to a lesser extent provide assist. When all is said and done, that is what all strikers will be measured at, same goes for Best, Ba and Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. No, it's daft, because Carroll is playing under a far greater weight of expectation than Best. Carroll has nor had that many more games for Liverpool than Best had in the second half of the promotion season - ie when he was just arrived, in a successful side and expected to perform. One reason Best has been a minor revelation is because nobody expected anything from him after that half season when he was utter shit. To a lesser extent, the same applied for Carroll in the Championship and even in the Premier League early last season - he massively exceeded modest expectations - modest expectations meaning less pressure; less pressure meaning a more relaxed player. Then there's the fact that Carroll is now playing for a manager who we know all too well struggles to get the best out of players. Oh, and the idea that Carroll can only play football in the air is also complete bollocks. He scored more with his feet than his head last season, was our quickest player (according to stats) and showed on his England debut (dropping the shoulder on one man, then jinking past another against France) that he is decent on the ball. I won't go into your own track recordnon this forum... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Quickest player. The stats are clearly fabricated crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Great and good on you I think Carroll is better in some areas but that Best would have a better goal/minutes ratio by the end of the season. Let's see Does a better goals per minute ratio mean the player with the best stat's is the better player? Since Best in this case has proven to be a very capable forward regardless of goals, I would say so aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Ba scored more today than Carroll has in 2011. Carroll has scored 3 in 2011, unless you just mean in the premiership when he got 2 against man city, he scored one in the carling cup remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Best is under immense pressure here. Sure there's not the transfer fee or media furore around him, but he's been expected to be our main goalscorer for the last 9 months, when everyone had written him off after the Championship season, and he's come up trumps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Best is showing a knack for being in the right place at the right time with some excellent positional play. The goals didn't come today but with all the creativity we have in the side at the minute he's gonna clock up 10 - 15 goals comfortably feeding on scraps alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 You just know that over on RTG they've linked this and are pissing themselves, labelling us all knackers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 You just know that over on RTG they've linked this and are pissing themselves, labelling us all knackers Knackers in fourth place though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Fuck this debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. No, it's daft, because Carroll is playing under a far greater weight of expectation than Best. Carroll has nor had that many more games for Liverpool than Best had in the second half of the promotion season - ie when he was just arrived, in a successful side and expected to perform. One reason Best has been a minor revelation is because nobody expected anything from him after that half season when he was utter shit. To a lesser extent, the same applied for Carroll in the Championship and even in the Premier League early last season - he massively exceeded modest expectations - modest expectations meaning less pressure; less pressure meaning a more relaxed player. Then there's the fact that Carroll is now playing for a manager who we know all too well struggles to get the best out of players. Oh, and the idea that Carroll can only play football in the air is also complete bollocks. He scored more with his feet than his head last season, was our quickest player (according to stats) and showed on his England debut (dropping the shoulder on one man, then jinking past another against France) that he is decent on the ball. I won't go into your own track recordnon this forum... The only stats I can remember suggested Simpson was our fastest and Guthrie our fittest. Make of that what you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Carroll would have probably scored a couple of the chances that Best had today, the comparison between the two is daft. Daft because you may not like how the stats look at the end of the season? :gm's dummy: As for your point, that is nothing more than just an assertion. No, it's daft, because Carroll is playing under a far greater weight of expectation than Best. Carroll has nor had that many more games for Liverpool than Best had in the second half of the promotion season - ie when he was just arrived, in a successful side and expected to perform. One reason Best has been a minor revelation is because nobody expected anything from him after that half season when he was utter s***. To a lesser extent, the same applied for Carroll in the Championship and even in the Premier League early last season - he massively exceeded modest expectations - modest expectations meaning less pressure; less pressure meaning a more relaxed player. Then there's the fact that Carroll is now playing for a manager who we know all too well struggles to get the best out of players. Oh, and the idea that Carroll can only play football in the air is also complete bollocks. He scored more with his feet than his head last season, was our quickest player (according to stats) and showed on his England debut (dropping the shoulder on one man, then jinking past another against France) that he is decent on the ball. I won't go into your own track recordnon this forum... The whole point of this thread is to try and be as objective as possible, based on stats of goals/minutes ratio in evaluating both (now three) players. Goal/minutes is used as the main criteria as i) these are indisputable facts and ii) that's what strikers are paid to do. Sure we can start going into Kenny is crap, 35M is too much pressure, Best is an ugly fucker...etc, but there are more than enough threads for all those subjective endless arguments. If you want vote Carroll be my guess and good on you if you are proven to be right. As for my track record on this forum, kudos for being a stalker and analyzing my record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Best is under immense pressure here. Sure there's not the transfer fee or media furore around him, but he's been expected to be our main goalscorer for the last 9 months, when everyone had written him off after the Championship season, and he's come up trumps. Fair play to him - he's done really well. But pressure wise, there's no comparison. Neither I nor any fan I know expected anything of Best after Carroll left - he's been a massive bonus. By contrast, had Carroll missed the chances Best did yesterday, the backlash would have been merciless. His every move is under scrutiny, Best's isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Quickest player. The stats are clearly fabricated crap. My point was merely that Carroll is no slouch. You performed another U-turn on Saylor yet? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1377679/The-fastest-slowest-fittest-players-Premier-League-club.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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