Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Name another scout in the PL who has the power to override the manager's judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 As I've said before, that's what Carr basically is, a DOF. I'd just much prefer the forefront of our transfer system was identifying players suitable for our purpose, observing them, attaching a reasonable hypothetical valuation and then making it fucking happen. In such a system Carr's skills would be pretty redundant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 He'd be obsolete in a ambitious club that identifies players based on suitability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. Wasn't there a load of spiel ages back about the research he puts into players when scouting them, i.e. looking into their character and such. Sure I recall that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 How do you know which players he's recommended? Just because we only go for the cheap / out of contract ones because we're cunts doesn't mean that's all he's putting forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ron, Carr does select players which are suitable for Ashley blue print of buy em cheap sell em expensive. The issue is the manager isn't suitable for this philosophy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ron, Carr does select players which are suitable for Ashley blue print of buy em cheap sell em expensive. The issue is the manager isn't suitable for this philosophy And buying players cheap to sell them expensive isn't a philosophy suited to success. That's my point. Buy players to win you fucking football matches and hold onto them if they're good enough to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ron, Carr does select players which are suitable for Ashley blue print of buy em cheap sell em expensive. The issue is the manager isn't suitable for this philosophy And buying players cheap to sell them expensive isn't a philosophy suited to success. That's my point. Buy players to win you f***ing football matches and hold onto them if they're good enough to do that. It isn't but the horrible truth is that his remit. Like so many things Newcastle it's hard to gauge true value or worth when the club is set up in such a ramshackle way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. I know Carr recommended we pay £7m for MYM when we needed a bigger, more dominant, more instantly PL suited CB. And overruled paying less than £3m for Adam Lallana. Carr's a failed lower league manager who is good at wheeling and dealing average French players through his connections there. He's a vital cog in a horrible transfer system. The sooner Ashley, Pardew, Charnley and him fuck off, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. I know Carr recommended we pay £7m for MYM when we needed a bigger, more dominant, more instantly PL suited CB. And overruled paying less than £3m for Adam Lallana. Carr's a failed lower league manager who is good at wheeling and dealing average French players through his connections there. He's a vital cog in a horrible transfer system. The sooner Ashley, Pardew, Charnley and him f*** off, the better. MYM was clearly signed as a Colo replacement when it looked like he would be leaving. Anyway Lallana, for less than 3mil, elaborate please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Fair enough. Lallana though, what's your made up story about Carr overruling a deal for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. I know Carr recommended we pay £7m for MYM when we needed a bigger, more dominant, more instantly PL suited CB. And overruled paying less than £3m for Adam Lallana. Carr's a failed lower league manager who is good at wheeling and dealing average French players through his connections there. He's a vital cog in a horrible transfer system. The sooner Ashley, Pardew, Charnley and him f*** off, the better. That's the clubs transfer policy though isn't it. Value/profit over the needs of the playing squad? You simply do not know the values spoken about for players. You can guess but come on you're not in the room and you're no more privy to deals than anyone else. Rumoured to have been a choice between HBA and Lallana. Debuchy and Cabaye are average. MYM is not average. HBA is not average. Ronsense. Is this a wind-up or what? All 4 of these players were known on here before they were signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Fair enough. Lallana though, what's your made up story about Carr overruling a deal for him? Do your own research if you think I'm making it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Fair enough. Lallana though, what's your made up story about Carr overruling a deal for him? Do your own research if you think I'm making it up. A quick google search brings up one result from a forum member on toonforum.co.uk - I don't think I'll accept that as fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, bringing Hatem Ben Arfa here is good scouting is it? Give me a break, man. It's a no-brainer on a loan and a no-brainer for £5m or whatever. Nowt to do with what Carr offers. I've already acknowledged he probably played a good role in the fantastic Cabaye deal. Ultimately, though, the longer Carr's the chief scout and has transfer parity with management, the longer we're targeting financial value over value on the pitch. Real clubs don't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, bringing Hatem Ben Arfa here is good scouting is it? Give me a break, man. It's a no-brainer on a loan and a no-brainer for £5m or whatever. Nowt to do with what Carr offers. I've already acknowledged he probably played a good role in the fantastic Cabaye deal. Ultimately, though, the longer Carr's the chief scout and has transfer parity with management, the longer we're targeting financial value over value on the pitch. Real clubs don't do that. But that has nothing to do with Carr. He's not the one deciding the overall transfer strategy he's the one implementing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The club told the press (including Nixon) that the MYM signing had been planned for a while and had no connection to the Colo situation. Fair enough. Lallana though, what's your made up story about Carr overruling a deal for him? Do your own research if you think I'm making it up. A quick google search brings up one result from a forum member on toonforum.co.uk - I don't think I'll accept that as fact. Seen the story a few times that Pardew wanted Lallana but Carr was adamant that he wasn't good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So, bringing Hatem Ben Arfa here is good scouting is it? Give me a break, man. It's a no-brainer on a loan and a no-brainer for £5m or whatever. Nowt to do with what Carr offers. I've already acknowledged he probably played a good role in the fantastic Cabaye deal. Ultimately, though, the longer Carr's the chief scout and has transfer parity with management, the longer we're targeting financial value over value on the pitch. Real clubs don't do that. But that has nothing to do with Carr. He's not the one deciding the overall transfer strategy he's the one implementing it. Nobody said he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Targeting financial value is a directive from the club though, surely. Carr is just finding the best players he can under the constraints he's given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We're both speculating. But all he's shown at NUFC is the ability to find contractually vulnerable average players and recommending better players most of us know of on N-O. No he hasn't. Those are the players the club has gone for out of the ones you've recommended. You have no idea who Carr recommends or whether he is or isn't good at his job besides from judging its output. Stop pretending otherwise. I know Carr recommended we pay £7m for MYM when we needed a bigger, more dominant, more instantly PL suited CB. And overruled paying less than £3m for Adam Lallana. Carr's a failed lower league manager who is good at wheeling and dealing average French players through his connections there. He's a vital cog in a horrible transfer system. The sooner Ashley, Pardew, Charnley and him f*** off, the better. As I said then, you have absolutely no idea what happens behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Far more of an idea than you by the sounds of it. None of us know everything for certain regarding Pardew's position, Carr's directives or Ashley's overall plan, or lack thereof. Doesn't mean we can't criticise based on what we do know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So we "know" he's "knocked back" Lallana for 3m do we? Even assuming we do, and we only know this via Pardew don't we (?) are we knocking the guy for one rejection vs the decent deals he's got the club? Not really sure what the point of this is, Carr is not the problem, the problem is the overall balance of transfer and development strategy at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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