Pulling out of challenges

[bowlingcrofty]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this? Around us yesterday I heard a few whinges about Hatem pulling out of a 50/50 tackle near Wigan's penalty area. Do people think it's acceptable to ever pull out of a challenge?

[SUPERTOON]

No, but i know a few lads who have suffered similar injuries to HBA and they said it takes a while before you dare go in full blooded.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

aye I noticed he was pulling out, but its to be expected at the minute.

[Ishmael]

Erm, yes?

 

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[Foluwashola]

More chance of getting injured by going in like a nancy. At least, that's what some radgie used to tell me.

[bowlingcrofty]

I think it can depend on the player in question and the situation as well. Obviously there would be a lot more to risk if a CB bottled a challenge than, say, HBA, at the other end of the field.

[GuyP]

i dont mind it, look at it from his perspective...it hasnt reached Duff levels yet...

[SiLvOR]

After I tore my cruciate ligament and came back, I did bottle a few 50/50s which is very unlike me. At first it's definitely a mental thing, however once you get around it, you should go back in. I thought Hatem seemed to get quite stuck in yesterday though?

[bowlingcrofty]

Erm, yes?

 

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Erm, discussion.

 

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[Ishmael]

fwiw, I would rather Hatem pull out of a 50/50 in Wigan's half that wasn't a particularly critical situation than go in risking another injury.

[Ishmael]

Erm, yes?

 

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Erm, discussion.

 

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I don' think there is much of a discussion to be had here regarding that specific situation involving Hatem.  Consequently, it's 100% acceptable to pull out of 50/50s in certain situations.

[gdm]

don't blame him one single bit, he needs to get his confidence as well as fitness back. once he gets a few tackles in on him and he comes thru them he will be alright

[bowlingcrofty]

Erm, yes?

 

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Erm, discussion.

 

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I don' think there is much of a discussion to be had here regarding that specific situation involving Hatem.  Consequently, it's 100% acceptable to pull out of 50/50s in certain situations.

 

So what are the situations that are acceptable? How to you judge?

[Ishmael]

Basically, situations that aren't particularly 'critical', in which you are looking to weight up the importance of winning the ball v's the safety of the player(s) involved.  You can easily conjure up a hypothetical situation or just use Ben Arfa's incident from yesterday.  So, say winning 1-0 with 10 minutes to go and the ball is deep in the opponents half.  Either way, there are going to be moments where winning the ball back isn't that important and player safety can take priority.

 

Of course, there is the mental side to consider, so Hatem lacked the confidence to make a tackle.  But still, if Hatem is still pulling out of such challenges in 6 months time I wont be particularly concerned if he is performing in other areas as you would hope/expect.

[Beren]

Completely depends on the situation.

 

Sometimes it's not even a question of bottle - if a ball isn't an actual 50-50, there's not very much point going in sliding on your backside like Scott Parker. If we're thinking of the same incident, HBA wouldn't have made that ball first even if he had gone in full-blooded.

 

Sometimes, yes, it's definitely worth going in and you deserve criticism if you withhold anything - but others it's better to maybe give the impression you're going in - but actually focus on reacting to where the ball will go and getting the second ball.

[Revolution Number 9]

Considering he's only just getting back from nearly having his fucking leg snapped off I think I can let him off for pulling out of the odd 50/50 tbh.

[wormy]

He's a fucking wimp and I hope he never plays for the club again.

[Heron]

No but I can totally understand it. What do people expect? There's some fucking twats at our games like, and by twats, i mean people who don't have the same opinion as me. 

[Guest Rey Mysterio]

Depends on the type of tackle. There were a few front on collisions with cloggers like Caldwell sliding straight at him that absolutely he should have got out the way of. It is and was those type of collisions that break legs.

 

He has in the game yesterday and at Forest gone in for a couple of hard slide tackles just from different angles where it is far less likely for serious injury to occur. Fine by me.