Tiresias Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 bloody hell if it's bad at training sessions already what's it going to be like at games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Two years ago, before they knew where England would play or even if they would qualify, ITV committed to building a studio in Warsaw. They appointed a local architect and launched themselves into "a bureaucratic journey deep into the heart of Polish politics". It was handsomely rewarded for its bravery when the draw guaranteed England could not possibly play there more than once, and even then not until the semi-finals, which will be broadcast by the BBC anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The whole thing should be called off. I'd be gutted in football terms, but once again, the racists win by allowing it to continue. Without wanting to invoke the "if this was England" argument, I have to invoke it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'd consider banning home fans from games first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'd consider banning home fans from games first Would be a better approach than what they're doing. Which is essentially just hoping for the best. Thing is, football as a whole has lost its balls. Should consider SERIOUS ramifications for countries failing to act, ourselves included as we're far from fucking perfect. Along the lines of banning teams from European football, or International football. We need to stop pretending football is THAT important that we let issues like this continue because there's so much invested in a ball being kicked around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Isn't fair to punish teams or whole sets of fans for what will be the fault small groups of supporters. It is those groups that should be targeted with severe punishments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 You can use that argument down to a very fine point. Almost, why should a team be punished when it's only a minority of supporters. Something has to be done, and it's a national problem, so it should be addressed as so. Even people that aren't being racist need to be involved as a lot of time their in-action allows things to get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Agree to disagree please. A problem that has ramifications on a national, even continental scale, but the action needed to be taken should be focused specifically on the problem groups in the society. I.e. ranging from lengthy bans from footballing venues to arrests. Although that is dependent upon local laws ofc. Then you can do some positive stuff for the general ranks, like a lets kick idiots out of football campaign etc., that aren't giving nazi salutes on the terraces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Rather confusing news from the Holland training camp. Although Mark van Bommel was pretty adamant the team's black players were racially abused – "You need to open your ears. If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse," he said – Uefa will not investigate further after the Dutch FA said it "did not believe the abuse was racially motivated". http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/nakedgun.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I agree it's a tough one and absolutely my solution would punish the majority of fans who are no trouble. However I also don't believe that anything will be done about the issue without drastic action, for years clubs have been given only perfunctory fines for racism, and this has bred a lack of action. If we can target and ban the individual fans that would be great, I'm skeptical though if this will really stop it in the life span of this tourney. Hmmm tough one, fingers crossed it'll all be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 UEFA should definitely sanction the host nation FA's if it is proven that they haven't acted sufficiently to prevent any racist actions from supporting groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I agree it's a tough one and absolutely my solution would punish the majority of fans who are no trouble. However I also don't believe that anything will be done about the issue without drastic action, for years clubs have been given only perfunctory fines for racism, and this has bred a lack of action. If we can target and ban the individual fans that would be great, I'm skeptical though if this will really stop it in the life span of this tourney. Hmmm tough one, fingers crossed it'll all be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Going to be as bad if not worse when the World Cup goes to Russia where fans chuck bannanas at the black players. It can't be a surprise to Fifa/UEFA that this is happening though. Their comments about it not happening and Platini coming out and saying if a player walks off the pitch after getting racially abused they'll be yellow carded is fucking disgusting. The sooner Fifa and UEFA get new people in charge the better, they show time and time again what a bunch of stubborn clowns living in the past they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 My friend thinks that USA are going to make it to the quarters They'll never make it past the group stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 So fucking excited now . Poland 3 Greece 0 Russia 2 Czech Republic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 6 Hours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 My friend thinks that USA are going to make it to the quarters They'll never make it past the group stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 So fucking excited now . Poland 3 Greece 0 Russia 2 Czech Republic 1 Same. I feel a strong excitement now. Really really close to beeing very nervous it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Can't say I've got any real enthusiasm for this tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Coverage starts on BBC at 4.15 FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Nigel De Jong already received racist abuse in an open training session. Disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Nigel De Jong already received racist abuse in an open training session. Disgusting. That happening in an European country, in the 21st century. Unbelievable really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Euro 2000: Spain vs Yugoslavia - Group Stages. into our favourite video-hosting site. Such a class game that was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Baines in his suit could easily be mistaken for one of the Beetles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 little Wayne is off to Auschwitz this afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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