Dogawful Officiating

[pubteam]

28 minutes ago, Bizza said:

 

Did this too and got away with it. 

 

 

 

 

 

He’s such a weasel.

[Bimpy474]

Stills don't show how bad that was, he swings the elbow on purpose as he gets to Burn, despicable shitbag.

[Benwell Lad]

VAR though far from perfect has to stay now. A lot of "populism" from usual suspects screaming for an end to it.

Thing is, everything is going to be so analysed and TV judged from now on, it will be like VAR still but without the ability to intervene or change a decision. I.E. there will be a lot more wrong decisions without VAR than with it.

VAR needs to be worked on and improved not binned off because the people administering it are incompetent.

[joeyt]

Arsenal getting away with two of the most blatant red cards you've ever seen in Gabriel butting Haaland and Havertz last night

[Wallsendmag]

18 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said:

VAR though far from perfect has to stay now. A lot of "populism" from usual suspects screaming for an end to it.

Thing is, everything is going to be so analysed and TV judged from now on, it will be like VAR still but without the ability to intervene or change a decision. I.E. there will be a lot more wrong decisions without VAR than with it.

VAR needs to be worked on and improved not binned off because the people administering it are incompetent.

 

I'm still undecided about it. I was all for getting rid and then that Aston Villa Cup game happened and it became evident that the officials are now too incompetent to manage without it. Then you have this weekend for example, Mbuemos handball goal and that challenge yesterday which are 2 easy wins for VAR and they get them both wrong!

[joeyt]

Should never have been brought in in the first place,  was so obvious it would ruin the game

[mattypnufc]

Did I read that Arsenal haven't had a red card all season and only conceded 1 pen?   

[Paully]

19 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

Did I read that Arsenal haven't had a red card all season and only conceded 1 pen?   

They should have conceded one of each up here - Gabriel punched big Nick and a blatant handball from an Elanga cross 

[leffe186]

24 minutes ago, Paully said:

They should have conceded one of each up here - Gabriel punched big Nick and a blatant handball from an Elanga cross 

 

I went to look at ours (four) again and they are all softer than the Havertz one. On my wanders I came across our game against Liverpool from last December. I'd totally forgotten we actually had two sending offs in that one game. Just look at the video from YouTube (presume that means it's good to go here):

 

 

 

It's a neat encapsulation of the problems. First the Simons red card. It's 0-0, we're in the 33rd minute, we're at home, nothing's happened yet. I thought it was soft because it wasn't malicious, but I get it...as long as you then send off Havertz last night. Then they score with the classic push in the back from the forward that - again - if you're going to just let them do that then fine, just don't blow when Kolo Muani does exactly the same thing to Gabriel. In exactly the same spot. Of course Romero got booked for the protest (he's the captain, so he's the one person who is allowed to protest), then gets a second booking for the retaliation after Konate cleans him out for the nth time that day.

 

I mean, I know we're pissing into the wind and shouting at clouds to some extent, but part of the point of VAR is to remove or at least reduce these blatant inconsistencies. It's simply not happening. One of the red cards I looked at was Caicedo's last November against...Arsenal. Studs on ankle, ref says yellow, VAR says red, ref agrees red. Caicedo gets away with stuff week in and week out, but at 0-0 after just 38mins against Arsenal it's a red card. It's week in and week out, and it's boring now, but Christ is it infuriating.

[leffe186]

I know you guys have been talking about the elbow on Burn - remember this one?

 

 

[healthyaddiction]

16 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

I know you guys have been talking about the elbow on Burn - remember this one?

 

 

Referee yellow carded about four of our players, including Longstaff himself, for complaining about the challenge.

[Geordie_once_removed]

41 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

I know you guys have been talking about the elbow on Burn - remember this one?

 

 

That's the one I was on about earlier. Because Arteta and Arsenal kicked up such a fuss over the Joelinton goal this much more cut and shut refereeing fuck up which occurred before the goal was totally ignored.

 

 

Edited May 19 by Geordie_once_removed

[Earp]

2 hours ago, joeyt said:

Should never have been brought in in the first place,  was so obvious it would ruin the game

Watching the earlier rounds of the FA Cup with no VAR was so much better than the PL. I don't think there were many wrong decisions either.

[leffe186]

41 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

Referee yellow carded about four of our players, including Longstaff himself, for complaining about the challenge.

 

18 minutes ago, Geordie_once_removed said:

That's the one I was on about earlier. Because Arteta and Arsenal kicked up such a fuss over the Joelinton goal this much more cut and shut refereeing fuck up which occurred before the goal was totally ignored.

 

It’s also a very clear illustration of the fact that this is who Havertz is. Romero is a marked man for very good reason, but that does lead to him getting some incredibly soft bookings. Havertz should be a marked man too, but bewilderingly it’s the other way around.

[healthyaddiction]

23 minutes ago, Earp said:

Watching the earlier rounds of the FA Cup with no VAR was so much better than the PL. I don't think there were many wrong decisions either.

Yeah, our game vs Villa went off without a hitch...

[mattypnufc]

52 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

Yeah, our game vs Villa went off without a hitch...

[Kid Icarus]

Weird how often matches are brought up and I'm like 'ah yeah, that wasn't last season'

[leffe186]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Weird how often matches are brought up and I'm like 'ah yeah, that wasn't last season'

I have completely lost touch of the football timeline, partly being far less engaged than when I was younger and partly simply being in the US for 15 years I guess. I remember certain games because of where I was when I watched them but the ones in between just vanish from my memory 

[Benwell Lad]

5 hours ago, joeyt said:

Should never have been brought in in the first place,  was so obvious it would ruin the game

That's a tad melodramatic, it hasn't "ruined" the game. It needs to be used more competently for sure.

There need to be clear lines so referees and linesmen actually referee games and don't rely on VAR, but it intervenes in the case of clear and obvious mistakes. Pretty much as it was intended to be really.

Perhaps the game needs specialist VAR officials, rather than regular PGMOL referees, who won't feel uncomfortable overruling one of their mates.

Some of the worst fuck ups have been when it's obvious neither VAR nor the referee want to make a tough decision.

Overall though, VAR gets it right the vast majority of times and there are less errors than without it.

[joeyt]

Just now, Benwell Lad said:

That's a tad melodramatic, it hasn't "ruined" the game. It needs to be used more competently for sure.

There need to be clear lines so referees and linesmen actually referee games and don't rely on VAR, but it intervenes in the case of clear and obvious mistakes. Pretty much as it was intended to be really.

Perhaps the game needs specialist VAR officials, rather than regular PGMOL referees, who won't feel uncomfortable overruling one of their mates.

Some of the worst fuck ups have been when it's obvious neither VAR nor the referee want to make a tough decision.

Overall though, VAR gets it right the vast majority of times and there are less errors than without it.

 

Depends on your definition of ruining the game. 

 

It's completely ruined the experience for match going fans and even those watching on the telly.

 

You literally can't properly celebrate a goal your team has scored now

[Benwell Lad]

3 hours ago, Earp said:

Watching the earlier rounds of the FA Cup with no VAR was so much better than the PL. I don't think there were many wrong decisions either.

 

As always it's really about the money, or PL clubs losing or gaining business changing amounts because of a wrong decision.

Early cup rounds and Championship football downwards just don't those huge amounts hanging over them, or no doubt they'd have VAR too.

[Fak]

Just now, Benwell Lad said:

 

As always it's really about the money, or PL clubs losing or gaining business changing amounts because of a wrong decision.

Early cup rounds and Championship football downwards just don't those huge amounts hanging over them, or no doubt they'd have VAR too.

 

Are there enough referees to use VAR in all matches from the championship down?

[joeyt]

4 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said:

VAR gets it right the vast majority of times and there are less errors than without it.

 

How are you defining "right" decisions?

 

How can something be right if it's just one referees opinion against another referee's opinion watching on a telly somewhere?

[Benwell Lad]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Depends on your definition of ruining the game. 

 

It's completely ruined the experience for match going fans and even those watching on the telly.

 

You literally can't properly celebrate a goal your team has scored now

 

Fair enough, but at the games I've been at goals are still celebrated properly even if VAR is in the back of our minds.

If as you say " it's completely ruined the experience for match going fans and even those watching on the telly" I still don't know anyone who's stopped going or watching because VAR is in operation.

[Benwell Lad]

6 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

How are you defining "right" decisions?

 

How can something be right if it's just one referees opinion against another referee's opinion watching on a telly somewhere?

 

Probably because the latter have the advantage of multiple replays and angles, versus a real time split second decision.and so should always get it right even if they sometimes fail to do so even with that advantage.