Foluwashola Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It was a standard Man United refereeing performance. Not bothered about the pen but it was sickening bias throughout. Fellaini should be sent off 14 times a season, hope the twat pierces his throat with his flailing elbows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 By the way that barge on Toney after we equalised was a pen. Defender never even looked at the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Imo Fellaini deserved to be off for persistent fouling, obvs red for Lingard on the pen we didn't get, and Herrera, on a yellow, tripped Wijnaldum as we were attacking, sending him skidding into the pass meant for a teammate, successfully stopping the break. Standard. And they're whining. They should have finished with 8, Lingard went on to score and we're missing a penalty. I declare this 4-2 to us at least. Mbemba's had an aberration, don't know wtf he was doing waving his arm about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Personally I thought it was a pen like. Definitely ball to hand, but why was his arm up there in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Yeah, I'm taking that on the chin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Never thought there'd be a point where I'd agree with Garth fucking Crooks of all people, but that clip where he talks about Mike Dean wanting to be the centre of attention is just bang on. I can't stand the cunt. Man U's pen was very fortunate, Mbemba's arm was in a natural position as he's falling back - but had he been in the correct position in the first place we could have avoided the scenario altogether. Stonewall pen for us either missed or turned down. Fellaini and/or Smalling should have been off. Rugby tackle on Toney was a penalty for me, if Darmian (?) leaves him he probably isn't getting to that ball, but he's got no eyes on the ball and focuses purely on wrestling him to the floor. If you ask me, Man Utd missed chances - but so did we and we had to play against the referee as well so all this shit from their side about 2 points dropped is a fucking crock. If anything, we were the side that dropped the points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 The narrative of Man Utd deserving a win is total nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Felliani and Lingard could have had no complaints if they'd been sent off before half time. Thought the ref had a shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Man Utd penalty was a pen, Mbemba had his arm in unnatural position and blocked a attempt at goal by Fellaini. Tackle on Janmaat was a pen Foul by Smalling was a pen. Fellaini could have had two yellows, cant say Dean had a bad game tbh. http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx The law is 'handled the ball deliberately'. Regardless of whether his arm was up, how could he have intentionally handled the ball considering he was looking the other way and it was headed directly on to his arm from no more than 20cm away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. A lot of Ashley lies included in this "Ashley cleared the NUFC debt" "Pardew did well under tough conditions" etc The more it's repeated, the more it becomes generally accepted, despite it being complete bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 knew it was going to happen when you could see Dean and Rooney in the tunnel before the game....like old mates http://i.imgur.com/UwdnpEGl.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125) Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 You've got far too much time on your hands like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 In my view Mbemba was trying to get more leverage by using his arms to jump, as you do, and his arm stayed up. His head then turned in the direction of Fellaini then next minute the ball hits him on the hand. Never a penalty in a million years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125) Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick Am I going blind, but where is unnatural position in that guidance? It's not the idea that I think is bollocks, just that term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125) Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick Where is unnatural position mentioned in the rules or interpretation of them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125) Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick Well done. You've just completely contradicted your own argument by trying to support it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 That is guidance to decide whether it was deliberate. Whether it's deliberate is the deciding factor, that's what the referee has to judge. There's no "he didn't mean it but he had his arm out, so it's a pen". Those are points to consider when deciding if he handled the ball on purpose, which he quite clearly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordinho Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Surely this stems from defenders jockeying strikers in the box - with their arms outstretched. They are therefore attempting to block the space between attacker and goal and that can therefore be interpreted as deliberate should the ball strike the arm. Clearly not the case with this incident where you'd be extremely hard pressed to make a case that it was deliberate in any sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Put it this way, If Mbemba's was a hand ball for a unnatural position of the arm then so was Dummetts when he blocked a shot (when Fellaini got booked). Nothing less natural than an arm being on the floor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Put it this way, If Mbemba's was a hand ball for a unnatural position of the arm then so was Dummetts when he blocked a shot (when Fellaini got booked). Nothing less natural than an arm being on the floor Well not when the player is also on the floor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks. A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election. Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it. Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125) Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick How on earth have you quoted that and reached that conclusion. 'Handling the ball involves a deliberate act' Probably don't need to say anymore than that. However: 'The distance between the opponent and the ball' 'The position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an infringement' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 That is guidance to decide whether it was deliberate. Whether it's deliberate is the deciding factor, that's what the referee has to judge. There's no "he didn't mean it but he had his arm out, so it's a pen". Those are points to consider when deciding if he handled the ball on purpose, which he quite clearly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Will get brushed under the carpet as usual in a shite display but Christ on a bike, that's as clear a penalty as you can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now