Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Ashley already decided it doesn't matter when we didn't buy a replacement for Cabaye. Basically, the season ended at Christmas and if you paid for a season ticket tough s***. That's the point I was getting towards. If he accepts the decision to wait until the Summer to sign someone then he is happy to have a terrible January-May results wise, something that I just can't fathom as a football fan. That's a whole other point, and an interesting one. Similar to resting players in unimportant games. From the point of view of wanting the club to do well, it's obviously best to save your resources. From the point of view of someone paying full price to watch, it's pretty shit. Very soon, our league games will start to practically become dead rubbers, like those meaningless games at the end of CL groups etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Remy, Gouffran and de Jong aren't so bad I don't think? I'd love to keep them all and replace Shola to boot. I think we'll finish in 8th or 9th. Gouffran? Yeah, he's as much a striker as he is a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I miss Ian W. "Better the devil you know" just got proven in a different context over the last 24 hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Remy, Gouffran and de Jong aren't so bad I don't think? I'd love to keep them all and replace Shola to boot. I think we'll finish in 8th or 9th. Gouffran? Yeah, he's as much a striker as he is a winger. And the other two aren't ours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 'If we sack Ian W the next guy might be worse.' NO: http://i.imgur.com/3aEtnCi.jpg NO: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. The season lasts until May. Let's see where we end up - top 10 isn't a given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. True, I don't blame them really but it does make talking about things virtually impossible. There's a lot of negative things about the club but we've really talked ourselves into crazy levels of pessimism. Each to their own I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. I know we keep saying the season is over but that's just a figure of speech, it's not yet. We do tend to look beyond the season we're currently in too, it might be hard for you but if you really try i'm sure you can. We believe in you Brett, remember the sunshine bus is never far away! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. I know we keep saying the season is over but that's just a figure of speech, it's not yet. We do tend to look beyond the season we're currently in too, it might be hard for you but if you really try i'm sure you can. We believe in you Brett, remember the sunshine bus is never far away! You don't even have to look far, loki...just look at your sig and remember that general feeling around the forum I can see why people are broken, it's horrible to witness but i can understand where they are coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Ok, if you'd specified 'that the club own' I'd have said, "Absolutely horrendous, but we have these loans for now who are really good". I'm not being inconsistent - I crave longevity, so I'd rather have permanent signings, but we have these loans which are ok for now. Preferring permanent signings doesn't mean I pretend the loans haven't happened or that they somehow don't count as signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? When was the last time we signed a striker on a permanent deal? Considering it's been a major problem since Carroll left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Cisse but Pardew broke him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 But they play for us. And we might yet keep them. And if we don't, we'll replace them. You asked me about our striking options right now The striking options that the club own - that's what I should have specified. Yet again, you crave longevity yet you're happy with these two loan signings. Someone already mentioned about Sunderland relying on loan signings to keep them up and look at their league position now. Ok, if you'd specified 'that the club own' I'd have said, "Absolutely horrendous, but we have these loans for now who are really good". I'm not being inconsistent - I crave longevity, so I'd rather have permanent signings, but we have these loans which are ok for now. Preferring permanent signings doesn't mean I pretend the loans haven't happened or that they somehow don't count as signings. Loans for a club our size are utterly pathetic. It's a way for the club to spend minimal amounts - something you'll be absolutely chuffed about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. I know we keep saying the season is over but that's just a figure of speech, it's not yet. We do tend to look beyond the season we're currently in too, it might be hard for you but if you really try i'm sure you can. We believe in you Brett, remember the sunshine bus is never far away! You don't even have to look far, loki...just look at your sig and remember that general feeling around the forum I can see why people are broken, it's horrible to witness but i can understand where they are coming from. Don't look at me, I wanted Pardew sacked in the season we finished fifth. There hasn't been an ounce of ambition at this club short of promoting a frankly down market clothing goods warehouse for many a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Well, that's what I've done. And in the last few seasons, our lineup at the end of each summer transfer window has been stronger than the lineup at the end of the summer window before it. Whether that has been down to January business or whatever, it's true. So now I want to see whether the same will apply at the start of next season. I don't think it will (because Cabaye was so damn good and I don't think his replacement will be a match, with the best will in the world) but I think we'll have made some significant improvements across the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 You mean look beyond the current season like for example to the end of the summer transfer window? Absolutely yes. Take the past and the present and extrapolate the various possible futures. Look at the direction and the trend of events and on that base your expectations and hopes for this great football club. Well, that's what I've done. And in the last few seasons, our lineup at the end of each summer transfer window has been stronger than the lineup at the end of the summer window before it. Whether that has been down to January business or whatever, it's true. So now I want to see whether the same will apply at the start of next season. I don't think it will (because Cabaye was so damn good and I don't think his replacement will be a match, with the best will in the world) but I think we'll have made some significant improvements across the team. So we've improved our squad every season and yet we're not far above where Hughton left us. Our last league position was well below where Hughton left us. You state we have improved our squad year on year ergo Alan Pardew has done a worse job with a better squad than Chris Hughton who was sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Fuck this. http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/af/af9853e711654c613a774d1bfeeaa01b45549c37fa543fa36c3946481006b634.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. Not at all. We are just reflecting the club's stance that this season is already over with nothing left to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 A lot just seem so broken they can't see the good in anything anymore. Even if we have already surpassed their pre-season expectations. I know we keep saying the season is over but that's just a figure of speech, it's not yet. We do tend to look beyond the season we're currently in too, it might be hard for you but if you really try i'm sure you can. We believe in you Brett, remember the sunshine bus is never far away! You don't even have to look far, loki...just look at your sig and remember that general feeling around the forum I can see why people are broken, it's horrible to witness but i can understand where they are coming from. Don't look at me, I wanted Pardew sacked in the season we finished fifth. There hasn't been an ounce of ambition at this club short of promoting a frankly down market clothing goods warehouse for many a year. I'm not looking at you, basically showing the general feeling is still doom and gloom even though this season we have surpassed expectation and got us back to where roughly this squad should be. With a better manager i'm fairly confident we would be 7th but 7th-9th, it's not the biggest of differences, it's still fuck all really and that's Ashley's fault. Only good that has come this season is there has been no talk of relegation which was widely expected by many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 That's Brett's stance too. We finished ninth this season apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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