Hatem Ben Arfa

[Guest Deadmau5]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one shit one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

[Optimistic Nut]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

And were playing in top 2-4 teams.

[madras]

 

 

So Cabaye covers the right midfield...they pass it through the middle...Jonas shuffles across to fill in where Cabaye should have been had HBA ran back...they pass it to the right once more and they're two against one down that side.

 

Hardly rocket science this man.

 

Tiote meanwhile is where?  Why does Jonas have to move so far that he can't get back to his side?

aren't they supposed to read off each other and get into the best positions for the team, ie some will look to get into attacking positions to receive the ball, some will cover, some will try and find positions to do both. no reason why one individual player should always look to be doing one or the other, the games fluid and as such they have to constantly be reading to make the best choices.

 

a perfect example is getting caught out in the left back position when santon goes forward, one from tiote, cabaye, joans ought to be looking to cover that position, not drop into it, but get into a position where they can be effective (receive the ball, take a man away,) yet none of tiote,cabaye or jonas ever do it leaving it to colo to get pulled over and leaving us open in the centre.

 

it's not tactics, at their ages it can't be taught, it's basic footballing sense.

[Mick]

Man United & Tottenham, have two of the best wingers this season in Bale/Valencia. Both cover their Fb, Valencia specifically has played FB this season & bale obviously also in the past.

 

Those teams dont go "nah itll invite pressure lets leave it" & they have far better FB's than Danny Simpson.

 

Spurs and Man U aren't as static as we are, our movement is crap and one dimensional.

[madras]

which is what it comes down to but due to the absolutist nature of many on here when someone says he has to work defensivly, meaning do a bit more when his team doesan't have the ball, take it instead to mean, be a full back.

 

The best wingers I've seen at this club have been the ones who didn't defend.

they'd have been better if they had though, maybe even regulars for their national sides and played for title winning sides.

[Ronaldo]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

[madras]

Man United & Tottenham, have two of the best wingers this season in Bale/Valencia. Both cover their Fb, Valencia specifically has played FB this season & bale obviously also in the past.

 

Those teams dont go "nah itll invite pressure lets leave it" & they have far better FB's than Danny Simpson.

 

Spurs and Man U aren't as static as we are, our movement is crap and one dimensional.

2 dimensional

 

 

 

 

couldn't help mesel.

[ponsaelius]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

 

It's called cowardice. Especially when you're doing it at home to Wolves and Sunderland.

[ElDiablo]

This fucking thread. NE5 levels of tedium.

[Ronaldo]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

 

It's called cowardice. Especially when you're doing it at home to Wolves and Sunderland.

 

Wanting Ben Arfa to occasionally track back when there's a total non-entity behind him is called cowardice?

 

OK.

[Mick]

 

 

It's a lot faster to make 2-3 passes than get 2 or 3 players to shuffle over 15-20 yards to cover a gap that Ben Arfa is more than capable of filling himself.

 

Come on, did you never watch Goal?

 

I'm aware that it's quicker to make 2 or 3 passes than it is to move 2 or 3 players.  You don't have to move across to break up a move you can go diagonally.  What makes you think that teams are going to leave 2 players wide on the far side and give us an advantage on the other side?

[Optimistic Nut]

 

 

It's a lot faster to make 2-3 passes than get 2 or 3 players to shuffle over 15-20 yards to cover a gap that Ben Arfa is more than capable of filling himself.

 

Come on, did you never watch Goal?

 

I'm aware that it's quicker to make 2 or 3 passes than it is to move 2 or 3 players.  You don't have to move across to break up a move you can go diagonally.  What makes you think that teams are going to leave 2 players wide on the far side and give us an advantage on the other side?

 

Because any manager/player worth their salt at this level will see a gaping space to exploit and will do so.

[madras]

 

 

It's a lot faster to make 2-3 passes than get 2 or 3 players to shuffle over 15-20 yards to cover a gap that Ben Arfa is more than capable of filling himself.

 

Come on, did you never watch Goal?

 

I'm aware that it's quicker to make 2 or 3 passes than it is to move 2 or 3 players.  You don't have to move across to break up a move you can go diagonally.  What makes you think that teams are going to leave 2 players wide on the far side and give us an advantage on the other side?

get your rooks into play when that type of thing happens.

[Guest Deadmau5]

We shouldnt have to rely on bloodhazed teamwork at home to wolves. A bit of fotball would go a long way seeing as we have a squad worth 10 times as much and vastly superior skillwise. If we dare to play fotball that is.

[Mick]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

Aye, Robert had the fantastic Babayaro when he was fit.

[Optimistic Nut]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

Aye, Robert had the fantastic Babayaro when he was fit.

 

Ironic that you pick Robert's worst 5 months during his 4 year stint here to use as an example.

[Guest BooBoo]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

Aye, Robert had the fantastic Babayaro when he was fit.

 

Robert in his pomp had Bernard mainly at left back didn't he?

[Ronaldo]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

Aye, Robert had the fantastic Babayaro when he was fit.

 

Robert probably played in front of Babayaro about 5 times. Don't try that shit with me, bud.

[Mick]

aren't they supposed to read off each other and get into the best positions for the team, ie some will look to get into attacking positions to receive the ball, some will cover, some will try and find positions to do both. no reason why one individual player should always look to be doing one or the other, the games fluid and as such they have to constantly be reading to make the best choices.

 

a perfect example is getting caught out in the left back position when santon goes forward, one from tiote, cabaye, joans ought to be looking to cover that position, not drop into it, but get into a position where they can be effective (receive the ball, take a man away,) yet none of tiote,cabaye or jonas ever do it leaving it to colo to get pulled over and leaving us open in the centre.

 

it's not tactics, at their ages it can't be taught, it's basic footballing sense.

 

I'm not sure our game is fluid.

[ponsaelius]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

 

It's called cowardice. Especially when you're doing it at home to Wolves and Sunderland.

 

Wanting Ben Arfa to occasionally track back when there's a total non-entity behind him is called cowardice?

 

OK.

 

No, focussing so much time and energy behind closed doors into making sure our gifted attacker knows how to chase, defend, track back, keep shape blah blah etc instead of encouraging him to play his natural game and attack against complete non-entity opposition on our own turf. Maybe it's not cowardice, but it seems obsessive and poor management to me.

[Mick]

they'd have been better if they had though, maybe even regulars for their national sides and played for title winning sides.

 

You don't know that, they could just have easily become less effective.

[Ronaldo]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

 

It's called cowardice. Especially when you're doing it at home to Wolves and Sunderland.

 

Wanting Ben Arfa to occasionally track back when there's a total non-entity behind him is called cowardice?

 

OK.

 

No, focussing so much time and energy behind closed doors into making sure our gifted attacker knows how to chase, defend, track back, keep shape blah blah etc instead of encouraging him to play his natural game and attack against complete non-entity opposition on our own turf. Maybe it's not cowardice, but it seems obsessive and poor management to me.

 

But I wasn't referring to that - and there was no suggestion of it. You're chomping at the bit to unleash this criticism of Pardew in every thread. Relax, bro.

[madras]

They weren't playing in front of Danny Simpson, either.

 

So the solution is using several other team members to cover for one s*** one? Thats like cutting off your leg because you have a sore toe.

 

As opposed to what?

 

We don't have an option, daft lad. It's called teamwork.

 

It's called cowardice. Especially when you're doing it at home to Wolves and Sunderland.

 

Wanting Ben Arfa to occasionally track back when there's a total non-entity behind him is called cowardice?

 

OK.

 

No, focussing so much time and energy behind closed doors into making sure our gifted attacker knows how to chase, defend, track back, keep shape blah blah etc instead of encouraging him to play his natural game and attack against complete non-entity opposition on our own turf. Maybe it's not cowardice, but it seems obsessive and poor management to me.

pardew only mentioned workrate, did he say he wanted him to be a full back when the oppo had the ball, could just as easily meant takinjg up better positions looking fr it and helping out more defensivly, the way giggs has for years etc.

[johnnypd]

nothing wrong constantly demanding that Ben Arfa tracks back but it's a question of emphasis imo. it's one thing to demand it, another thing to expend so many valuable contact hours on it.

 

i'd rather we took some more time learning how to play possession football along with trying to get the players more comfortable working up fluid attacking moves. by default that means a bit less time obsessing about and working on things like 'tracking back'. unfortunately we appear to have a manager who, if carver is right, doesn't actually do ANY attack-based coaching.

[Guest BooBoo]

It's gone beyond ridiculous. Some are scrutinising every single word Pardew comes out with and desperately searching through for a negative to craft a stick to beat the man with.