Hatem Ben Arfa

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He's the one player at NUFC that I feel genuinely frightens the top teams. He's our only player capable causing havoc against the best. Selling him would be bad because of this, and also the psychologifcal effect it will have on our players, as I'm sure he gives them confidence when he's on the field.

 

aye, and our manager spends most of his time talking about the defensive side of his game..even if he stays we'll always be watching a cuckolded HBA under shitforbrains

 

Harsh, he wants HBA to work hard when we don't have the ball, but he trusts him when we do have it. Not ideal from a fan's point of view, but not a major error either.

[huss9]

He's the one player at NUFC that I feel genuinely frightens the top teams. He's our only player capable causing havoc against the best. Selling him would be bad because of this, and also the psychologifcal effect it will have on our players, as I'm sure he gives them confidence when he's on the field.

 

aye, and our manager spends most of his time talking about the defensive side of his game..even if he stays we'll always be watching a cuckolded HBA under shitforbrains

 

Harsh, he wants HBA to work hard when we don't have the ball, but he trusts him when we do have it. Not ideal from a fan's point of view, but not a major error either.

 

in the fifth place season, clearly evident that HBA's best offensive performances were also the ones he was tracking back in. he's perfectly capable of it without it affecting his offensive game. its a matter of 100% fitness (physical and emotional).

[Guest icemanblue]

He's the one player at NUFC that I feel genuinely frightens the top teams. He's our only player capable causing havoc against the best. Selling him would be bad because of this, and also the psychologifcal effect it will have on our players, as I'm sure he gives them confidence when he's on the field.

 

aye, and our manager spends most of his time talking about the defensive side of his game..even if he stays we'll always be watching a cuckolded HBA under shitforbrains

 

Harsh, he wants HBA to work hard when we don't have the ball, but he trusts him when we do have it. Not ideal from a fan's point of view, but not a major error either.

 

I'll take the cuckolded HBA from last season, like.

[Hughesy]

Yep - never quite understand why people don't think Ben Arfa should put in a defensive shift.  More effective and consistent players do so I am not sure why Ben Arfa should be exempt.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Yep - never quite understand why people don't think Ben Arfa should put in a defensive.  More effective and consistent players do so I am not sure why Ben Arfa should be exempt.

 

I saw it 

[mrmojorisin75]

not going to be able to post anything positive about our on the field activities for quite some time i think, the thought of that fucking knacker keeping his job after last season has broke me

 

and yeah 5th finish HBA and early last season HBA were great, agreed, think what HBA could be like if fucknuts built an actual team and gameplan around his ability and had people running and moving off the ball and shit...second thoughts, maybe don't

[Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast]

He's the one player at NUFC that I feel genuinely frightens the top teams. He's our only player capable causing havoc against the best. Selling him would be bad because of this, and also the psychologifcal effect it will have on our players, as I'm sure he gives them confidence when he's on the field.

 

aye, and our manager spends most of his time talking about the defensive side of his game..even if he stays we'll always be watching a cuckolded HBA under shitforbrains

 

That's some harsh criticism. If you watched the CL finals you would've seen both Ribéry and Robben tracking back to help their respective full backs. It's part of the modern game and he just has to adapt.

[Weznufc]

will be gutted if we lose this lad, he is something special and we need to keep him..

[Cronky]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

[Ketsbaia]

Some depressing posts in here. After Shearer, he's my favourite NUFC player ever.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Anyway, nobody will pay over £10m based on his recent form/fitness, so it's not an issue.

[huss9]

Anyway, nobody will pay over £10m based on his recent form/fitness, so it's not an issue.

 

window closes end of august - a couple of early season stormers.......and BOOM!

[junkhead]

Advocating selling him for whatever amount is madness. Not surprised though. People have short memories.

[mrmojorisin75]

He's the one player at NUFC that I feel genuinely frightens the top teams. He's our only player capable causing havoc against the best. Selling him would be bad because of this, and also the psychologifcal effect it will have on our players, as I'm sure he gives them confidence when he's on the field.

 

aye, and our manager spends most of his time talking about the defensive side of his game..even if he stays we'll always be watching a cuckolded HBA under shitforbrains

 

That's some harsh criticism. If you watched the CL finals you would've seen both Ribéry and Robben tracking back to help their respective full backs. It's part of the modern game and he just has to adapt.

 

ok, i get that what everyone is saying, but generally when these great wide men are tracking back they're playing in teams that attack fluidly and send midfielders streaming forward so everyone has to get back

 

under our *cough* system we invariably have everyone else in the team stood behind watching HBA try to skin the other team on his own so the comparison doesn't stand up for me

 

if pardew is going to play it as safe as he does then he could definitely afford to release HBA in my humble opinion

 

he's 'cuckolded' as i put it not only for the defensive duties he's asked to perform but also from the impotence of the system around him

[Dinho lad]

Some depressing posts in here. After Shearer, he's my favourite NUFC player ever.

 

That's settled, then. No reason whatsover to consider selling him now.

[taxfree]

There really isn't. Regardless.

[Cronky]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

[mrmojorisin75]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

 

howay man

 

surely you understand there's a reason for this?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

 

See, I would say that he only decides to win games on his own when it's clear to him that he has to. Because his teammates are contributing too little. When we were playing well last season he was interchanging really well with everyone.

 

Obviously he will take people on and do things more than the average player, but that's why he's so brilliant.

[Cronky]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

 

See, I would say that he only decides to win games on his own when it's clear to him that he has to. Because his teammates are contributing too little. When we were playing well last season he was interchanging really well with everyone.

 

Obviously he will take people on and do things more than the average player, but that's why he's so brilliant.

 

I think this was a problem with his other clubs, not just us. He can't resist beating one more man instead of playing the percentages and releasing it.

 

While I hate to agree with Supermac, he does have a point. Whether you lose the ball after beating one man or beating four, the end result is the same.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

 

See, I would say that he only decides to win games on his own when it's clear to him that he has to. Because his teammates are contributing too little. When we were playing well last season he was interchanging really well with everyone.

 

Obviously he will take people on and do things more than the average player, but that's why he's so brilliant.

 

I think this was a problem with his other clubs, not just us. He can't resist beating one more man instead of playing the percentages and releasing it.

 

While I hate to agree with Supermac, he does have a point. Whether you lose the ball after beating one man or beating four, the end result is the same.

 

Yeah, but you don't always lose the ball. On this issue, as so many others, Supermac is talking bollocks.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Advocating selling him for whatever amount is madness. Not surprised though. People have short memories.

 

Very short.

[Cronky]

Tricky decision, but I'd take £25m, providing Pardew can then re-invest the money in the squad.

 

Talented player of course, but at all his clubs, he's had problems in fitting in around a team pattern, and that's still not changed. Turning down the money is just as much a gamble as selling him.

 

Don't understand this thinking at all. The only compelling reason to sell him is his fitness record, and this is the first time he's fit going into pre-season and has a good chance of getting to top form.

 

Previously I'd seen him and Krul as our only untouchable players from the selling point of view. With HBA, he needs to develop more of a team mentality and not always try to win games on his own. Watching his comeback this season, I've lost a bit of faith that he's going to make that transition. He seemed to be making the same mistakes.

 

I mean, this is basically why he's playing for us and not Arsenal or Chelsea. He's got Eden Hazard's talent, but not his attitude or football brain.

 

I'd love to hang on to him, but no longer at any price.

 

See, I would say that he only decides to win games on his own when it's clear to him that he has to. Because his teammates are contributing too little. When we were playing well last season he was interchanging really well with everyone.

 

Obviously he will take people on and do things more than the average player, but that's why he's so brilliant.

 

I think this was a problem with his other clubs, not just us. He can't resist beating one more man instead of playing the percentages and releasing it.

 

While I hate to agree with Supermac, he does have a point. Whether you lose the ball after beating one man or beating four, the end result is the same.

 

Yeah, but you don't always lose the ball. On this issue, as so many others, Supermac is talking bollocks.

 

No, of course not. Sometimes he does a Blackburn and goes through the entire defence. It's a matter of playing the percentages.

 

The situation I'm thinking of is where he gets past the midfield and exposes the opposition back four. Usually a defender has to commit and that leaves a team-mate in space. That's the time when it's better to release it. I seem to remember that happened twice against QPR.

 

There are other occasions where he beats a defender and gets to the by-line, and then tries to go even further instead of crossing. Great when it comes off, but not the wisest decision.

 

Don't get me wrong. I would only sell for a mad amount. But it looks possible that Monaco will do precisely that.

[The College Dropout]

Anythign approaching 25m and we've robbed them.