TRon Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Robert was hardly in our own half, don't really recall him coming back to help Bernard When he had the ball and in the opposition half he worked hard BUT it's this obsession Pardew has of our wingers being secondary full backs that would have resulted in Robert sitting on the bench whilst a workhorse like Jonas would get game after game This basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 When Hatem was scoring and making goals he was in the side. I'm not justifying his exclusion one bit, but to say Pardew would've ignored a goal and assist machine like Robert because he didn't do much defending is stretching things. When we win games, Pardew never changes the side. If Hatem started a match that we won convincingly, he would start the next game. That just hasnt seemed to happen this season for various reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 When Hatem was scoring and making goals he was in the side. I'm not justifying his exclusion one bit, but to say Pardew would've ignored a goal and assist machine like Robert because he didn't do much defending is stretching things. When we win games, Pardew never changes the side. If Hatem started a match that we won convincingly, he would start the next game. That just hasnt seemed to happen this season for various reasons. Ben Arfa started against Stoke at home. We won 5-1, he had a big hand in 3 goals (including an assist as well as winning a penalty for the second game running) and was dropped for the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Robert's vision & one-touch passing (to a midfielder on his inside, or the overlapping fullback) was high standard. I used to like his decision making, he knew when it was right time to use an outlet (on the burst) as a decoy before taking it upon himself to pull the trigger. Definitely wasn't a one-dimensional ball-carrying winger. His qualities were put on a as show in a side whose central midfielders were not instructed to 'hold' a defensive position while in possession..... Pardoo-Ball would leave Robert isolated, easier to gang - up on without decoys & movement. I couldn't envision Robert amassing required stats Alain Pardoo lives & dies by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Robert's vision & one-touch passing (to a midfielder on his inside, or the overlapping fullback) was high standard. I used to like his decision making, he knew when it was right time to use an outlet (on the burst) as a decoy before taking it upon himself to pull the trigger. Definitely wasn't a one-dimensional ball-carrying winger. His qualities were put on a as show in a side whose central midfielders were not instructed to 'hold' a defensive position while in possession..... Pardoo-Ball would leave Robert isolated, easier to gang - up on without decoys & movement. I couldn't envision Robert amassing required stats Alain Pardoo lives & dies by. This. It's silly to compare Robert and HBA when the two played under two different systems with two vastly different managers, one known for dynamic open attacking and the other dross boring defensive football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Anyone got minutes per goal/assist stats for Ben Arfa/Robert/Ginola/Bellamy? Would put this end product argument to bed. In terms of Robert vs Ben Arfa goals only: Robert scored 22 Premiership goals in 129 games. Average of 1 goal per 5.8 games. Total minutes on pitch of 9,562, so a goal every 434 minutes in the Premiership. Ben Arfa has scored 13 goals in 73 Premiership games. Average of 1 goal per 5.6 games. Total minutes on pitch of 4,403 so a goal every 338 minutes in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Good work. Where did you get your stats from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Good work. Where did you get your stats from? ESPN for games/goals, Soccerway and Transfermarket for minutes. No idea if they're accurate, but difficult to know otherwise unless there's a better source readily available. Assists on ESPN seem to be wrong for Robert, but I have it as Robert with a total of 33 assists during his time here (16 in 01/02, 5 in 02/03, 7 in 03/04, and 5 in 04/05), Ben Arfa with 10 so far (0 in 10/11, 5 in 11/12, 2 in 12/13, and 3 in 13/14). So Robert = an assist per 3.9 games or every 289 minutes. Ben Arfa = an assist per 7.3 games or every 440 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 When Hatem was scoring and making goals he was in the side. I'm not justifying his exclusion one bit, but to say Pardew would've ignored a goal and assist machine like Robert because he didn't do much defending is stretching things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Not sure there is much comparing Robert and Ben Arfa. They are playing in completely different teams in terms of personnel and set up and under managers with different footballing outlooks. Put Ben Arfa in the SBR team and he'd have thrived and Robert would have struggled hugely in the current team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Not sure there is much comparing Robert and Ben Arfa. They are playing in completely different teams in terms of personnel and set up and under managers with different footballing outlooks. Put Ben Arfa in the SBR team and he'd have thrived and Robert would have struggled hugely in the current team. Just want to add that the fanbase was completely split on Robert because of the HUGE whole lacking in his game, defensive work. It really was non-existant but he was forgiven because every third game he would score a screamer. If I was forced to compare I would say Ben-Arfa offers more to the team on a global scale than Robert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Not sure there is much comparing Robert and Ben Arfa. They are playing in completely different teams in terms of personnel and set up and under managers with different footballing outlooks. Put Ben Arfa in the SBR team and he'd have thrived and Robert would have struggled hugely in the current team. QFT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I really can't wait until the day I don't have to read his absolute bullshit any more. Can't stand the fackin old cant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 When Hatem was scoring and making goals he was in the side. I'm not justifying his exclusion one bit, but to say Pardew would've ignored a goal and assist machine like Robert because he didn't do much defending is stretching things. He set up the winner on Saturday and was dropped for the game 3 days later This is hardly a new thing either, it was happening 3 years ago when Pardew was apparently playing it perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I still think Robert would've been more effective in this team - especially when we play 4-4-2 - and he'd have been excellent for Cisse, IMO. I also think Pardew would've liked the fact that he was a threat from deeper positions with his shooting and crossing, it would've meant less gaps to be exploited. Terrible philosophy, of course, I just think that's the kind of crap he always considers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 He also had an excellent game against Stoke (you know, the last time we scored more than 1 goal at home), he was dropped for the next game against Arsenal and has barely been seen since. The treatment of him this year's been fucking appalling tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh for fuck sake how does the guy not get pulled up more for the shite he spouts. Disciplined? In what way? Gouffran out of position constantly and doing fuck all in both directions, Sissoko running around aimlessly with and without the ball, a strikeforce less intimidating than a dead kitten, a CB doing a shit impersonation of a RB, a central midfield pairing without enough creativity to even fill in a fucking colouring book....how people defend this pathetic excuse for a manager (and a human judging by his touch line antics since he's been here) is beyond me. The worst thing is that Pardew seems to think no-one can see right through him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh for fuck sake how does the guy not get pulled up more for the shite he spouts. Disciplined? In what way? Gouffran out of position constantly and doing fuck all in both directions, Sissoko running around aimlessly with and without the ball, a strikeforce less intimidating than a dead kitten, a CB doing a shit impersonation of a RB, a central midfield pairing without enough creativity to even fill in a fucking colouring book....how people defend this pathetic excuse for a manager (and a human judging by his touch line antics since he's been here) is beyond me. The worst thing is that Pardew seems to think no-one can see right through him A lot of people can't tbh, he's been disproportionately critical of Ben Arfa in recent weeks and a lot of our fans have nodded along and followed suit. Sometimes wonder if they seriously just want to see 11 grafters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 There's an obvious section of the older support who will always hark back to when footballers were men, and believe that just turning up and putting your body on the line is the be all end all of competitive sport, they also hate the blacks and smell weird. I cannot understand how any of the younger generation can sit by happy as one of the most exiting players we've had is reduced to a bit part role because he loses the ball a bit and doesn't like to defend, some even going to lengths to not just criticise him, but outright declare that he does nothing and is rightfully not in the squad because of his own actions. I cannot comprehend it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 HATEM Ben Arfa’s forced his way to the forefront of Alan Pardew’s mind – and could start against Southampton. Ben Arfa has came off the bench in the club’s last two Premier League games. And the forward’s performances have put him in the frame for a start at the St Mary’s Stadium tomorrow. Newcastle are in desperate need of a creative spark in the final third of the pitch in the absence of the injured Loic Remy, who could return against Manchester United on April 5. United manager Pardew could turn to Ben Arfa, who enlivened his team after coming on against Everton and Crystal Palace. Pardew flip-flopping like a goldfish out of water again. How surprising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The bit about Everton is hilarious. Discipline? We got beat 3-0 The guy is a mad man. "We got beat 0 - 3, but in a disciplined way" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Least Pardew admitting his application has been better and Carver admitting he's been listening to the team instructions prior to games and before he comes on. Can only bode well for Ben Arfa and the team if he carries that on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 A fooball gif :panic: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 A fooball gif :panic: Paint represenation (courtesy of M4) http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5007/robbern.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 “I want to make sure we deliver the best we can. We can only be the best we can be. What we showed against Everton the other night was a discipline to our game. “In two thirds of the pitch we were good, but in the last third, we must improve. We must improve that against Southampton – the quality in that area.” We shipped 3 goals . It's like this idiot was trying to win 4-3 and half of it went to plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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