Cajun Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I often ask myself: how many "intelligent" player do we have in the team? 2 ? cabaye and Colo ? maybe 3 with Marveaux , we seriously need to bring "football IQ" in the starting XI. We should tempt Clarke Carlisle back out of retirement. Or put some studs on Stephen Hawking's wheels. Would probably put in a better corner driving his wheelchair at the ball than we currently manage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dokko Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 He's right though, we lack football intelligence. At the wrong end of the scale are the likes of Obertan, Tiote, Ameobi, Williamson, Taylor, Jonas, gosling, Cisse & Simpson before he left. Even the likes of hba & Cabaye don't really excel. The only player we do have is colo. Funnily enough i think perch has enough to match his limited ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Think of Cabaye goes there could well be something in the Leroy Fer rumours - be a very dynamic midfield 3 with him, Sissoko and Anita/Tiote in there. Is dynamic a new word for no creativity? Cabaye was credited with 2 assists this season, hasn't been the creative force you might imagine. I just think if you have a midfield section with plenty of pace and power you free up more time and space for HBA and hopefully someone like PEA to provide the creativity. Firstly....Cabaye was getting the ball off the freaking defenders he was so bloody deep. Secondly assist count =/= creativity. I find it fascinating that people want to replace the only CM we have who iscreative and can pass with someone who isn't creative and is limited at passing. I don't find the idea of 3 midfielders who struggle to pass, create and slow the pace down when necessary very promising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Think of Cabaye goes there could well be something in the Leroy Fer rumours - be a very dynamic midfield 3 with him, Sissoko and Anita/Tiote in there. Is dynamic a new word for no creativity? Cabaye was credited with 2 assists this season, hasn't been the creative force you might imagine. I just think if you have a midfield section with plenty of pace and power you free up more time and space for HBA and hopefully someone like PEA to provide the creativity. I think Cabaye is a very intelligent player, he just doesn't really fit into an English team too well. He doesn't seem to like getting forward or making runs into the box, so he ends up playing behind Tiote which is fine for spraying around nice passes, but he's not a good tackler so ends up making lot of messy fouls when he's playing in that position. Maybe a different manager could set the team up to use him like a continental side would, that's the frustrating thing about Pardew, we'll just never know while he's here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 He's right though, we lack football intelligence. At the wrong end of the scale are the likes of Obertan, Tiote, Ameobi, Williamson, Taylor, Jonas, gosling, Cisse & Simpson before he left. Even the likes of hba & Cabaye don't really excel. The only player we do have is colo. Funnily enough i think perch has enough to match his limited ability. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think Cabaye is a very intelligent player, he just doesn't really fit into an English team too well. He doesn't seem to like getting forward or making runs into the box I think this is a complete misjudgement. He scored 16 and assisted 19 in his last two seasons in France. His conservativeness here is clearly a product of the management. The few times he has been allowed to operate primarily in the final third he's been excellent. This talk of him being a natural "deep lying playmaker" or whatever is bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 In his entire time here, not once has Pardew played him in the right way, and in the right system, with the right style to get the best out of him. The run we had playing 4-3-3 season before last was just about the only time it resembled anything suiting him. He compensated by working his bollocks off because the way Pardew had/has us playing meant he would chase. As commendable as that is, i would much rather he was on the ball dictating the pace of a game, than chasing the ball around like a loon because of our managers ineptitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well when Cabaye played for France against Spain the last time he did exactly that, chased around like a loon, not getting the ball and giving away stupid free kicks. So there's not only Pardew who doesn't know what his best position is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 My French isn't great but it looks like Zouma's agent has said there is no truth to the link with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well when Cabaye played for France against Spain the last time he did exactly that, chased around like a loon, not getting the ball and giving away stupid free kicks. So there's not only Pardew who doesn't know what his best position is. No way is there a manager as dumb as Pardew surely ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 My French isn't great but it looks like Zouma's agent has said there is no truth to the link with us. Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well when Cabaye played for France against Spain the last time he did exactly that, chased around like a loon, not getting the ball and giving away stupid free kicks. So there's not only Pardew who doesn't know what his best position is. No way is there a manager as dumb as Pardew surely ? Tbf doing it against Spain is one thing, doing it at home to relegation fodder is completely different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 TRon is absolutely right here, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Pardew said that Cabaye was his Quarterback so he might have just confused him giving him instructions for a totally different sport. It would also explain the drop in form of other players Krul (wicket keeper) Tiote (Scrum half) Barfa (pie eating) and Ranger (footballer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Pardew said that Cabaye was his Quarterback so he might have just confused him giving him instructions for a totally different sport. It would also explain the drop in form of other players Krul (wicket keeper) Tiote (Scrum half) Barfa (pie eating) and Ranger (footballer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Pardew said that Cabaye was his Quarterback so he might have just confused him giving him instructions for a totally different sport. It would also explain the drop in form of other players Krul (wicket keeper) Tiote (Scrum half) Barfa (pie eating) and Ranger (footballer) This is my bugbear. If you have both a quarterback and a defensive midfielder, then you have two players side by side in the centre, neither getting forward, albeit with different roles. It doesn't work very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2351112/Newcastle-set-miss-Andre-Pierre-Gignac.html Cheeky sod! Don't think he's good enough anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Yes average , where would the 5th place team in the French League finish in England, Germany or Spain. And my point is that I am just amazed at the knowledge of some people on here have on French football If you bet on football youll quickly find yourself watching all kinds of leagues. Do it for long enough and youll find you know the leagues and players and start watching it even if theres no money on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 In his entire time here, not once has Pardew played him in the right way, and in the right system, with the right style to get the best out of him. The run we had playing 4-3-3 season before last was just about the only time it resembled anything suiting him. He compensated by working his bollocks off because the way Pardew had/has us playing meant he would chase. As commendable as that is, i would much rather he was on the ball dictating the pace of a game, than chasing the ball around like a loon because of our managers ineptitude. This might help. Position Apps Goals Assists Rating DMC (Defensive Midfielder - Centre) 18 4 1 7.23 MC (Midfielder - Centre) 11 2 0 7.15 Sub (Substitute) 3 0 0 5.99 AMC (Attacking Midfielder - Centre) 2 0 1 6.68 MR (Midfielder - Right) 1 0 0 7.06 Newcastle Formations Last Season Formations:4231 (16) 442 (13) 451 (4) 433 (3) 4411 (2) Last season 442 (26) 433 (4) 4411 (4) 451 (3) 41212 (1) Season Before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Pardew said that Cabaye was his Quarterback so he might have just confused him giving him instructions for a totally different sport. It would also explain the drop in form of other players Krul (wicket keeper) Tiote (Scrum half) Barfa (pie eating) and Ranger (footballer) This is my bugbear. If you have both a quarterback and a defensive midfielder, then you have two players side by side in the centre, neither getting forward, albeit with different roles. It doesn't work very well. Tiote should be pressingh higher up on the pitch. He gives ridicilous amount of silly and needless fouls and freekicks when he sits in front of CBs. Cabaye playing a bit deeper so he has time on the ball and can use his best attribute: passing. If he is higher up pressing the opp, he tires himself out in 60 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Pardew said that Cabaye was his Quarterback so he might have just confused him giving him instructions for a totally different sport. It would also explain the drop in form of other players Krul (wicket keeper) Tiote (Scrum half) Barfa (pie eating) and Ranger (footballer) This is my bugbear. If you have both a quarterback and a defensive midfielder, then you have two players side by side in the centre, neither getting forward, albeit with different roles. It doesn't work very well. Tiote should be pressingh higher up on the pitch. He gives ridicilous amount of silly and needless fouls and freekicks when he sits in front of CBs. Cabaye playing a bit deeper so he has time on the ball and can use his best attribute: passing. If he is higher up pressing the opp, he tires himself out in 60 minutes. I think if one player presses higher up the pitch, they all have to do it. And I don't fancy Cabaye as the deepest-lying midfield player, because defensively he's weak. I'd be prepared to listen to offers for both. Our midfield is static and needs revamping. If we get decent enough fees, we ought to be able to put together a midfield that's a bit more dynamic down the centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Apparently we want £25m for Cabaye - just enough to buy Zouma and PEA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Once Blanc was confirmed at PSG. I was like uh oh! He loves the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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