NUFC transfer rumours in the press

[Guest bimpy474]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

[Skirge]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

[Guest bimpy474]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

 

Ah i see what you mean, i suppose if Ashley doesn't give them much room to increase offers, again it would difficult to negotiate for whoever it is. I know what mean though, lesser of two fuckwits i guess.

[littlelunchbox]

With no resale value and no real use to the squad other than being better than Shola.

 

So we do have reasons for signing the player other than he's going cheap yeah?

 

Ok fair enough, I know what you mean, it would be nice for price to be less of an issue than it is.  I just hate the whole "oh no this club has bought a more expensive player than we have" thing, as if there's a league table for who has spent the most on a player.  Who would you rather have, Ben Arfa at £5.75m or Stewart Downing at £20m?

 

Price is always the most important factor.

Balance of Price and Ability is, which is what we do and we do it well.

 

Can't disagree with that. So well in fact we've finished in the top half once since 2006.

New transfer system has only been in place since we went down.  We've done very well in terms of transfers since then, not their fault the managers a loon.

 

No, not one bit. At all.

 

Not their fault there's one goalscorer in the squad either.

 

Ronaldo's gripe is legitimate here. The players we actually sign represent good value. Barring last January has Ashley ever overseen a window where we bought what the squad has actually needed?  If the emphasis is on value either all of the time, or disproportionately then the squad has and will suffer.

 

We seemingly will only do a deal when it satisfies the 'value threshold'.  Our transfer policy does not seem to allow us to pay a premium for what we need.

 

I think you have to look at is as 'Are we maximising our potential with being daft financially?', 'Are we looking down every avenue in order to improve the club and move forward?' etc.

 

I don't think anyone is advocating being daft financially, secondly the vast majority of the footballing infrastructure at NUFC suggests a lack of ambition. Doesn't require a huge leap of faith to assume the answer to your second question is no.

 

RE: point 1, I know but it's the classic straw man argument thrown around here so much that burns my brain.

 

Very few people are advocating 'going wild' - merely just spending the odd 1-2% of overall revenue of NUFC here or there.

 

Plus as was mentioned t'other day there is decidedly less f***ing around (as shown in January) when there is true desire there to bring in players. when

 

I think i'm agreeing with you here so apologies if I misconstrued your quoted post.

 

What is a premium, back in the days it was a 15 million pounds Shearer? 

 

in todays market a top tier marquee name equivilent of a Shearer in premiership will set us back how much?  £35-£50 mill for a Rooney, Aguero, RVP.    Our very own Andy Carroll cost the scouse £35 mill because they love the premium so much.

 

Citing players who are expensive is hardly the point I was getting at. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

 

A premium would be sometimes paying a little bit extra to get deals done when we need to. Take the Sissoko deal for example where we paid money for a player we could have gotten for free a few months later. Debuchy would be an example of when we didn't want to pay a premium (the summer before he signed).

 

Of course the necessity at play in buying Sissoko was that we were looking at being relegated.  The fact that the only window where we have bought what was necessary, was when we were staring down the barrel of our second relegation, indicates the ambition the powers that be have for the squad. This Summer a Centre Back, Striker and Left Winger Could be deemed necessary to move the forward. I doubt it will happen.

 

I hope you can distinguish this concept of a premium from breaking the world transfer fee record or the British transfer fee record.

 

well i guess i should have been more clearer too,  i was talking about going back to the old days of paying premium for marquee names, some will want that of course.

 

i personally don't have a problem with us not paying a premium for those players you named above providing they have other options too.  Sissoko i dont believe he was the only midfield player that was available at the time.  Nor Debuchy was the only fullback available.    Thats where my problems is with this club,  tunnel vision going only for a small set of scouted players, mostly all based in france.

 

People say we overate our players,  but i think we overate our scouting system the most.

[Skirge]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

 

Ah i see what you mean, i suppose if Ashley doesn't give them much room to increase offers, again it would difficult to negotiate for whoever it is. I know what mean though, lesser of two fuckwits i guess.

 

Yeah.. as a Chairman from another club I think you would rather deal with Lambias than Kinnear.

[Guest bimpy474]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

 

Ah i see what you mean, i suppose if Ashley doesn't give them much room to increase offers, again it would difficult to negotiate for whoever it is. I know what mean though, lesser of two fuckwits i guess.

 

Yeah.. as a Chairman from another club I think you would rather deal with Lambias than Kinnear.

 

Aye.

[littlelunchbox]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

 

Ah i see what you mean, i suppose if Ashley doesn't give them much room to increase offers, again it would difficult to negotiate for whoever it is. I know what mean though, lesser of two fuckwits i guess.

 

Yeah.. as a Chairman from another club I think you would rather deal with Lambias than Kinnear.

 

did they really ever had to deal with Lambeasy? i thought all he ever did was give the go ahead and say 'yes' or 'no'  to the deals drawn up and pre contracted by Irving and Charnley?

[TRon]

It's not the worst strategy to bring in players from the same country, it does make us more attractive to players who might otherwise not consider us, like Debuchy for example. We do seem to take it to the extreme though.

[littlelunchbox]

We don't appear to have a scouting system in the traditional mould. Again, the specific players recruited are not the problem with the current recruitment strategy.

 

not enough players scouted and not enough signed.

[Skirge]

I could understand the delay if we were looking to sign players for lots of positions, I mean imagine if we had not done the business we did in January and were now relying on JFK to get those deals done.

I hated Lambias but cannot help feeling he might of had Remy and Gomis in by now working on the same budget guidelines JFK is.

 

Dont get sucked into thinking that, just take a little look back to last summer, Lambias was in charge then. It wouldn't matter who we had, we dont budge on our valuation of players

 

That's down to one man. Ashley. Although he doesn't value the players himself, he'll get told the valuation by, Pardew/Carr/Lambias/JFK and that's it, zero wiggle room.

 

I don't mean the valuation I mean the negotiating itself, think Lambias would be more persuading than JFK.

 

Ah i see what you mean, i suppose if Ashley doesn't give them much room to increase offers, again it would difficult to negotiate for whoever it is. I know what mean though, lesser of two fuckwits i guess.

 

Yeah.. as a Chairman from another club I think you would rather deal with Lambias than Kinnear.

 

did they really ever had to deal with Lambeasy? i thought all he ever did was give the go ahead and say 'yes' or 'no'  to the deals drawn up and pre contracted by Irving and Charnley?

I'm not sure is the honest answer but I can see JFK being as interfering as possible if that is how we did deals it won't be now.

[Skirge]

We don't appear to have a scouting system in the traditional mould. Again, the specific players recruited are not the problem with the current recruitment strategy.

 

not enough players scouted and not enough signed.

 

Essentially, though it's not clear how many players we scout, certainly not enough signed.

 

We scout on what seems to be not just a talent but bargain basis and yes it has worked at times and that is great but we also need to be willing to pay for talent.

[Guest neesy111]

We have been signing good players, we are not building a good team though, far from it imo.

 

The manager needs to have a big chunk of say in the recruitment department imo whether you think he's shite or not, which he isn't

[Guest Alexinho]

We have been signing good players, we are not building a good team though, far from it imo.

 

The manager needs to have a big chunk of say in the recruitment department imo whether you think he's shite or not, which he isn't

 

And there we have a problem - we have a good scout - but Carr's players doesn't always for Pardew's way of playing football (hoofball)...

 

What is Ashleys long term plan? Don't think he has one... 

[The College Dropout]

Wrong - its not Pardew's "hoof ball", just a balanced side that we don't have.

 

Good and technical. Not a lot of pace. Small. Weak in the air. No width.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Wrong - its not Pardew's "hoof ball", just a balanced side that we don't have.

 

Good and technical. Not a lot of pace. Small. Weak in the air. No width.

 

Can't agree with that if anything we have more pace than technique, the only real technical players who start week in week out when fit are Cabaye and Ben Arfa.

 

In fact there's probably more technique in the back 4 than there is in the rest of the team combined

 

What we lack to me is width, creativity and goalscoring threats.... the other thing would be a dominating presence in the back 4 but i think you can get around that.

 

 

[Guest neesy111]

Lack of Width and options upfront are our biggest issues.  If those are solved, it should make the problems we have in CM much less noticeable.

[Yorkie]

Using last season as a barometer, you could name about 15 different things and call it our 'biggest issue(s)'. It's not even worth trying to identify what the main problems were, the whole thing absolutely stank from the day the transfer window opened.

[The College Dropout]

Wrong - its not Pardew's "hoof ball", just a balanced side that we don't have.

 

Good and technical. Not a lot of pace. Small. Weak in the air. No width.

 

Can't agree with that if anything we have more pace than technique, the only real technical players who start week in week out when fit are Cabaye and Ben Arfa.

 

In fact there's probably more technique in the back 4 than there is in the rest of the team combined

 

What we lack to me is width, creativity and goalscoring threats.... the other thing would be a dominating presence in the back 4 but i think you can get around that.

 

We don't lack aerial presence? Steven Taylor's the only player in our side I think's decent in the air. Small side we are.

[Guest neesy111]

Using last season as a barometer, you could name about 15 different things and call it our 'biggest issue(s)'. It's not even worth trying to identify what the main problems were, the whole thing absolutely stank from the day the transfer window opened.

 

You have to start somewhere into solving them though.  It's pretty obvious there's a shocking lack of goals in the team especially after Ba left.

[Skirge]

All Carr can do is scout players he feels will fit into the league really, must be so frustrating for him to find us players only for the club to piss around on deals to sign them. Although Gomis is not an unknown nor is Bent, Remy may have been scouted by Carr but we missed out on him first time around.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Wrong - its not Pardew's "hoof ball", just a balanced side that we don't have.

 

Good and technical. Not a lot of pace. Small. Weak in the air. No width.

 

Can't agree with that if anything we have more pace than technique, the only real technical players who start week in week out when fit are Cabaye and Ben Arfa.

 

In fact there's probably more technique in the back 4 than there is in the rest of the team combined

 

What we lack to me is width, creativity and goalscoring threats.... the other thing would be a dominating presence in the back 4 but i think you can get around that.

 

We don't lack aerial presence? Steven Taylor's the only player in our side I think's decent in the air. Small side we are.

 

Did i say that though? i just said i think you can get around it as plenty of teams have proven.

 

Lack of width, creativity and options upfront are much bigger concerns.

[TRon]

Wrong - its not Pardew's "hoof ball", just a balanced side that we don't have.

 

Good and technical. Not a lot of pace. Small. Weak in the air. No width.

 

Well adding pace doesn't necessarily mean an improvement, as we saw with Obertan, one of Pardew's recruitments by all accounts.

[Yorkie]

Using last season as a barometer, you could name about 15 different things and call it our 'biggest issue(s)'. It's not even worth trying to identify what the main problems were, the whole thing absolutely stank from the day the transfer window opened.

 

You have to start somewhere into solving them though.  It's pretty obvious there's a shocking lack of goals in the team especially after Ba left.

 

Aye but that's what I mean!

 

'Lack of goals' - reasons: uncountable.

 

All I was saying was that, whilst we can definitely prioritise which parts of the squad need strengthening, there's no 'biggest issue'.

[Guest bimpy474]

One of Pardew major failings is he can't look at the players at his disposal and get a system that suits them. He tries to fit them into a of doing things that completely unsutis them, ie Cisse RW.

 

I do like the murmuring about him listening to the players about things, just a little but it's kind of hopeful.

[Dave]

Teams who have already signed a more expensive player than we will this summer: Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Cardiff, Tottenham, Southampton.

 

Oh no I had my heart set on a really expensive player this summer as well.  Don't care who it is as long as he's expensive, preferably more expensive than most other clubs signings   Maybe we can ask Lyon if they'll take a bit extra to get ourselves ahead of some of the clubs you just mentioned?