Papiss Cissé

[Wilson]

Horrendously basic but you're effectively killing 3 important birds with 1 stone: more chances for Cisse, a counter to high pressure stuff that has us all at sea and far more effective set pieces.

 

you sure about this one? Last time Cissé had a partner up front they were getting in each other's way a fair bit.

 

I still think he's better in a 4-3-3 as the only proper striker. He is scoring a fair few goals as it is, the problem is that the other players aren't really doing anything.

 

 

BS. Truth is, Cisse rarely does anything for anyone else. His runs are always towards goal, rarely to make space for other runners.

 

Freed up a nice bit of space for Gouffran on Saturday, like. Provided an inch perfect cross for him to score too.

 

Hew man, we don't do facts on here, reet?

[Nobody]

Horrendously basic but you're effectively killing 3 important birds with 1 stone: more chances for Cisse, a counter to high pressure stuff that has us all at sea and far more effective set pieces.

 

you sure about this one? Last time Cissé had a partner up front they were getting in each other's way a fair bit.

 

I still think he's better in a 4-3-3 as the only proper striker. He is scoring a fair few goals as it is, the problem is that the other players aren't really doing anything.

 

 

BS. Truth is, Cisse rarely does anything for anyone else. His runs are always towards goal, rarely to make space for other runners.

Oh shut up you bore, that is just complete and utter tosh and you're just feeding your own agenda with talk like that.

[Guest bimpy474]

Horrendously basic but you're effectively killing 3 important birds with 1 stone: more chances for Cisse, a counter to high pressure stuff that has us all at sea and far more effective set pieces.

 

you sure about this one? Last time Cissé had a partner up front they were getting in each other's way a fair bit.

 

I still think he's better in a 4-3-3 as the only proper striker. He is scoring a fair few goals as it is, the problem is that the other players aren't really doing anything.

 

 

BS. Truth is, Cisse rarely does anything for anyone else. His runs are always towards goal, rarely to make space for other runners.

Oh shut up you bore, that is just complete and utter tosh and you're just feeding your own agenda with talk like that.

 

The most polite insult ever

[The College Dropout]

As harsh as it may be, when I think of Cisse making runs for others I just remember the Wigan game where Marv or someone was running in on goal and Cisse basically ran in his path.

 

He's improved a bit in that aspect obviously but still not good enough in that department.

 

The lad doesn't work the channels.

 

Doesn't challenge in the air.

 

Working up top by yourself should be more of a team role than the way we have it with Cisse imo.

[ujpest doza]

Horrendously basic but you're effectively killing 3 important birds with 1 stone: more chances for Cisse, a counter to high pressure stuff that has us all at sea and far more effective set pieces.

This, THis and This.

[TRon]

As harsh as it may be, when I think of Cisse making runs for others I just remember the Wigan game where Marv or someone was running in on goal and Cisse basically ran in his path.

 

He's improved a bit in that aspect obviously but still not good enough in that department.

 

The lad doesn't work the channels.

 

Doesn't challenge in the air.

 

Working up top by yourself should be more of a team role than the way we have it with Cisse imo.

 

He's a striker, his main job is to score goals, not run in channels or win balls in the air for other people. I don't know if you watch internationl football but there are plenty of successfulk teams operating without the old fashioned English centre forward type.

[Cronky]

As harsh as it may be, when I think of Cisse making runs for others I just remember the Wigan game where Marv or someone was running in on goal and Cisse basically ran in his path.

 

He's improved a bit in that aspect obviously but still not good enough in that department.

 

The lad doesn't work the channels.

 

Doesn't challenge in the air.

 

Working up top by yourself should be more of a team role than the way we have it with Cisse imo.

 

He's a striker, his main job is to score goals, not run in channels or win balls in the air for other people. I don't know if you watch internationl football but there are plenty of successfulk teams operating without the old fashioned English centre forward type.

 

I don't think we're talking necessarily about an old fashioned English centre forward, but a lone striker needs to be something of an all-rounder, because he does have to link play as well as get on the end of chances. A specialist finisher is limited in that position.

[The College Dropout]

What are you talking about?

 

There's rarely a pure natural goalscorer at international football level. Especially one not strong in the air.

 

If anything, Cisse is an old fashioned type player. Good at a select few things and not much else.

 

When you play up top by yourself, you lead the line by yourself. That's what made Drogba & Torres in their prime so great. Challenge in the air, give defenders a hard time physically, run at them etc. J

 

ust watch Mario Mandzukic or Lewandowski lead the line. It's not all through balls with them, they actually lead the line, challenge in the air. Give defenders a physical problem.

 

Balotelli leads the line. Benzema at his best is a great team player.

 

Poor example re: international football. It's generally about team players.

[The College Dropout]

As harsh as it may be, when I think of Cisse making runs for others I just remember the Wigan game where Marv or someone was running in on goal and Cisse basically ran in his path.

 

He's improved a bit in that aspect obviously but still not good enough in that department.

 

The lad doesn't work the channels.

 

Doesn't challenge in the air.

 

Working up top by yourself should be more of a team role than the way we have it with Cisse imo.

 

He's a striker, his main job is to score goals, not run in channels or win balls in the air for other people. I don't know if you watch internationl football but there are plenty of successfulk teams operating without the old fashioned English centre forward type.

 

I don't think we're talking necessarily about an old fashioned English centre forward, but a lone striker needs to be something of an all-rounder, because he does have to link play as well as get on the end of chances. A specialist finisher is limited in that position.

 

This is basically what I was trying to say.

[Gallowgate Toon]

And yet, mystifyingly, we played the best attacking football that I've seen this club play in a long, long time with this man leading the line. Of course, Cisse must be the common denominator here, not the 10 behind him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

And yet, mystifyingly, we played the best attacking football that I've seen this club play in a long, long time with this man leading the line. Of course, Cisse must be the common denominator here, not the 10 behind him.

 

This is the gist of it for me. He's more than capable of operating up front on his own in a properly-functioning team.

 

I can understand it, but at the moment we seem to just be looking for ways to take the pressure of the other 9 players who aren't doing their jobs properly. Not that Cisse is playing brilliantly.

[The College Dropout]

I remember when Demba Ba was causing the whole team to play crap.

 

Of course half a dozen games when we played counter football a lot and 4-4-2 is a better sample than this whole season. Okay. I'm getting lunch.

[Wullie]

Forgive me if I'm wrong (and I might be)  but is Mario Gomez,  he of the best club side in the world,  not even less of an all rounder than Cisse is?

[The College Dropout]

Forgive me if I'm wrong (and I might be)  but is Mario Gomez,  he of the best club side in the world,  not even less of an all rounder than Cisse is?

 

I can tell you haven't watched Bayern very much.

 

Mandzukic is their main man and he was suspended. Gomez is a bench warmer and he's at least good in the air and a set-piece threat. Is Cisse?

[Gallowgate Toon]

I remember when Demba Ba was causing the whole team to play crap.

 

Of course half a dozen games when we played counter football a lot and 4-4-2 is a better sample than this whole season. Okay. I'm getting lunch.

 

Our only convincing performances in that 6 game period came when playing 4-3-3, and only one of those could be classed as truly counter attacking, Swansea, as we clearly had the better of the overall play against West Brom and created more chances after the goals. We dominated Stoke and Liverpool, those performances were the antithesis of counter attacking. We even played alright and created quite a few chances at Wigan but were let down by rubbish defending. We've not seen the same formula this year, with Cabaye much deeper (bar Reading and Norwich away) or injured and Jonas playing virtually every game on the wing for starters.

 

As for your Gomez comment. Yes, he's tall and is automatically more of a threat from set pieces, but can he move as well? Feed on through balls? Score the types of different types of goals that Cisse has here? Well done for highlighting that some strikers have strengths compared to others. It seems as if you've been reduced to pathetic criticisms these days, like covering the front post area at corners.

[ponsaelius]

Gomez played 50 games a season in previous seasons and lost his place to Mandzukic through injury.

 

He definitely is less of an 'all rounder' than Cisse. He'll touch the ball to put it in the net and that is it. But he's extremely good at it.

[Wullie]

Gomez played 50 games a season in previous seasons and lost his place to Mandzukic through injury.

 

He definitely is less of an 'all rounder' than Cisse. He'll touch the ball to put it in the net and that is it. But he's extremely good at it.

 

Thought as much.

 

The fact that he might not start regularly is neither here nor there really. The claim is that a team with a player like that cannot attack competently - that is quite categorically not true. That's if you even accept that Cisse can do nothing other than put the ball away, which I don't.

 

[Nobody]

What are you talking about?

 

There's rarely a pure natural goalscorer at international football level. Especially one not strong in the air.

 

If anything, Cisse is an old fashioned type player. Good at a select few things and not much else.

 

When you play up top by yourself, you lead the line by yourself. That's what made Drogba & Torres in their prime so great. Challenge in the air, give defenders a hard time physically, run at them etc. J

 

ust watch Mario Mandzukic or Lewandowski lead the line. It's not all through balls with them, they actually lead the line, challenge in the air. Give defenders a physical problem.

 

Balotelli leads the line. Benzema at his best is a great team player.

 

Poor example re: international football. It's generally about team players.

No, this is your version of Cissé, not the one that actually plays for us.

[Hanshithispantz]

absolutely spot on.

[The College Dropout]

I remember when Demba Ba was causing the whole team to play crap.

 

Of course half a dozen games when we played counter football a lot and 4-4-2 is a better sample than this whole season. Okay. I'm getting lunch.

 

Our only convincing performances in that 6 game period came when playing 4-3-3, and only one of those could be classed as truly counter attacking, Swansea, as we clearly had the better of the overall play against West Brom and created more chances after the goals. We dominated Stoke and Liverpool, those performances were the antithesis of counter attacking. We even played alright and created quite a few chances at Wigan but were let down by rubbish defending. We've not seen the same formula this year, with Cabaye much deeper (bar Reading and Norwich away) or injured and Jonas playing virtually every game on the wing for starters.

 

As for your Gomez comment. Yes, he's tall and is automatically more of a threat from set pieces, but can he move as well? Feed on through balls? Score the types of different types of goals that Cisse has here? Well done for highlighting that some strikers have strengths compared to others. It seems as if you've been reduced to pathetic criticisms these days, like covering the front post area at corners.

 

6 games.

 

Mario Gomez would help our woeful set pieces. Cisse contributes to our weakness in that regard.

[The College Dropout]

The Bayern team is not built around Mario fucking Gomez. They score tons of goals with or without him. We are reliant no Cisse's limited skill set and imo we should not be.

[Nobody]

How insightful saying that a striker that would cost £25m+ would improve our set pieces

[Hanshithispantz]

The Bayern team is not built around Mario fucking Gomez. They score tons of goals with or without him. We are reliant no Cisse's limited skill set and imo we should not be.

 

I would just prefer the manager to get the team functioning well as a unit personally, not having a striker who supposedly does everything.

 

 

All the lad offers is goals and he's not great at that either. What I would like is a striker that can contribute to the other 10 players and isn't just reliant on the others performing for him.

 

Doesn't do enough for the team. Not brilliant at what he does.

[Hanshithispantz]

As I said before, I'd prefer a side that functions well together as opposed to having to rely on any striker at all, regardless of their style. If you criticise Cisse for not doing everything then you have to criticise every other player on the pitch too.

[The College Dropout]

When you're squad is valued at £300m that is easier to implement. And even still their main striker is an awesome team player.

 

the other Mario is more in the Lewandowski mould, the striker that fired BVB to successive Bundesliga titles.

 

There's not a top team that has their star striker being so limited.