Dave Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Still refuse to believe he's a bad player, I just think there's just not something right with him this season - probably a hangover from the refusal to wear Wonga thing. I also don't think he really works in our current formation/ethos. He's a poacher and doesn't really carve out his own chances. He needs to latch onto early crosses, flick-ons and through balls and then to shoot before he has a chance to think but we haven't really got wide men who cross in the team at the moment. I was a real fan of his but it's probably time to get rid given he's not fitting in. Still think he'll do well in the right team though. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He's done here, absolute garbage. Hate s*** like this. He's already proven there's a player in there that is far from garbage. It's always one extreme or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiecrawf Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Unfortunately for Papiss, the sale tickets are all over him! He doesnt fit in to our system any more and i agree with an earlier post that he is just a poacher, the system we play atm requires him to be a complete forward and he just cant cope! The reason he played well before was that Ba done the work for him! We need a new number 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LV Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Unfortunately for Papiss, the sale tickets are all over him! He doesnt fit in to our system any more and i agree with an earlier post that he is just a poacher, the system we play atm requires him to be a complete forward and he just cant cope! The reason he played well before was that Ba done the work for him! We need a new number 9 That Italian 19yr old who just put 4 past AC Milan would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Unfortunately for Papiss, the sale tickets are all over him! He doesnt fit in to our system any more and i agree with an earlier post that he is just a poacher, the system we play atm requires him to be a complete forward and he just cant cope! The reason he played well before was that Ba done the work for him! We need a new number 9 That Italian 19yr old who just put 4 past AC Milan would do. Co-owned by Juve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Unfortunately for Papiss, the sale tickets are all over him! He doesnt fit in to our system any more and i agree with an earlier post that he is just a poacher, the system we play atm requires him to be a complete forward and he just cant cope! The reason he played well before was that Ba done the work for him! We need a new number 9 That Italian 19yr old who just put 4 past AC Milan would do. Co-owned by Juve. Carlton Cole it is then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Still refuse to believe he's a bad player, I just think there's just not something right with him this season - probably a hangover from the refusal to wear Wonga thing. I also don't think he really works in our current formation/ethos. He's a poacher and doesn't really carve out his own chances. He needs to latch onto early crosses, flick-ons and through balls and then to shoot before he has a chance to think but we haven't really got wide men who cross in the team at the moment. I was a real fan of his but it's probably time to get rid given he's not fitting in. Still think he'll do well in the right team though. Good post. Agree He really needs good delivery from wide and that just doesn't happen the way we play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would dearly love for him to find his form again but I'm rapidly losing faith that he's going to get back to being the player that signed for us. This might be one of those situations were the best thing for all parties is a clean break and a fresh start for him somewhere else. I also have a sneaking feeling that the Wonga thing has mentally fucked him up and that isn't going to change anytime soon. Hoping beyond hope he can click back into gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Still refuse to believe he's a bad player, I just think there's just not something right with him this season - probably a hangover from the refusal to wear Wonga thing. I also don't think he really works in our current formation/ethos. He's a poacher and doesn't really carve out his own chances. He needs to latch onto early crosses, flick-ons and through balls and then to shoot before he has a chance to think but we haven't really got wide men who cross in the team at the moment. I was a real fan of his but it's probably time to get rid given he's not fitting in. Still think he'll do well in the right team though. Basically. I would add to this though he's doing nothing to suggest he wants to rectify matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 cisse is lethal in the box. He is average outside the box. Last year - no matter what striker we had, would have struggled since there were no service. He was very much isolated on top. I still believe in him. I would like to see him much more - probably in a 4-4-2 with remy on top or maybe 4-5-1- with remy on the left. Think we should try that for the rest of the season since we will end 8 or 9 anyway. He deserves a chance and in the summer we could decide what to happen. I basically blames pardew for his form. The wonga deal and its effect on cisse i cannot comment on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Still refuse to believe he's a bad player, I just think there's just not something right with him this season - probably a hangover from the refusal to wear Wonga thing. I also don't think he really works in our current formation/ethos. He's a poacher and doesn't really carve out his own chances. He needs to latch onto early crosses, flick-ons and through balls and then to shoot before he has a chance to think but we haven't really got wide men who cross in the team at the moment. I was a real fan of his but it's probably time to get rid given he's not fitting in. Still think he'll do well in the right team though. Good post. Agree He really needs good delivery from wide and that just doesn't happen the way we play. He needs Peter Beardsley in his prime to be playing alongside him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lethal in the box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lethal in the box no? you don´t think so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lethal in the box no? you don´t think so? I'm flabbergasted that you would think so, as the evidence clearly points to him not being all that clinical in the box, or even having the movement to create chances for himself in the box. If anything, I would say he's been better at finishing from distance hitting it first time in his period with us than anything resembling a lethal finisher in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 cisse is lethal in the box. He is average outside the box. Last year - no matter what striker we had, would have struggled since there were no service. He was very much isolated on top. I basically blames pardew for his form. The wonga deal and its effect on cisse i cannot comment on. Lethal in the box? I don't think his movement is particularly impressive in the box and he's not "lethal" when it comes his way either. He's terrible outside the box, decent outside the box when he's playing well mind. Last year.. no matter what striker we had would've struggled. Except the one that scored a dozen league goals by January. You basically blame everyone except Cisse for Cisse's bad form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think Gouffrana and Remy have shown better positioning/movement in the box. Nearly all of Gouffran's goals have been sitters or being in the right place at the right time and finishing off the chance. Remy's scored a good few scrappy ones too. During Cisse's wonder streak, I wondered if it was too good to continue. Except maybe the WBA goals, the goals were all brilliant. Excellent strikers and finishes. The Swansea goals, absolutely beautiful. But I noticed he rarely got those scruffy Demba type goals. The level of finishing he was showing he was always going to struggle to maintain. Now.. I have absolutely no idea where his median ability lies. Maybe he's the type to just be brilliant or crap. He was pretty decent towards the end of last season for a spell. Scored some important goals. But he's lost that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lethal in the box no? you don´t think so? I'm flabbergasted that you would think so, as the evidence clearly points to him not being all that clinical in the box, or even having the movement to create chances for himself in the box. If anything, I would say he's been better at finishing from distance hitting it first time in his period with us than anything resembling a lethal finisher in the box. he is not creating much for himself i agree. Finishing from distance is something he does well (when confident is present). What he is good at is finding space/be at the right spot and finishing first time. In order to do that you need service. If we could create enough chances during a game i think he will get goals and i also think we will struggle to find a much better striker than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Runs in a straight line with his eyes shut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Scored a scrappy one against Cardiff. Still think we should try Cisse/Remy/Ben Arfa for a spell of games and see how it goes. Was only given a chance Villa/Hull then scrapped and never to be seen again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Think we should move him on and try and buy someone who can play football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 well - you all have good arguments. All I'm trying to say is: i simply refuse to believe he is past it and i think we should give him a run this spring and then decide in the summer. Pardew should also find out how or if he can use him in the formations he prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I'm curious to know if the people on here who want him gone think he'll be a good player elsewhere or in fact just think he's just shit. Not sure if they think he's so broken up here, he'll never get back to where he needs to be and needs to leave or he just simply hasn’t got the ability for the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Given he is our only senior striker currently going to be at the club next season I think it'd be absolute lunacy to bin him off before signing a replacement even if it means risking bankrupting the club in the process Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Has shown a decent touch now and then, and has a fairly powerful shot, but I just don't think he's a very good striker. The majority of the best number 9s in this country have been able to score all types of goals, but their bread and butter finish will be to get their head over the ball, maybe take one touch, and then power it into the corner with their laces. I can't think of many strikers who have hit more than 20 league goals in a season without showing they can finish like that on a regular basis. Maybe you could say Henry, but he was a truly exceptional player. I've never really seen that from Cisse - even when he was in form he didn't really score goals like that. His touch lets him down in the box more often than not, I cannot work out what he's trying to do sometimes, (he often trys some stupid manoevre with the outside of his foot). He usually contrives to do absolutely anything except stick the ball in the corner of the net. I really don't think he's a very good player, I'd happily get rid if we could get half of what we paid for him. The offsides are beyond a joke now as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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