Kanj Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 When I think Luuk De Jong, I can only see this face: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 That's what I mean though, Luuk de Jong looked a real prospect a couple of years ago, but that doesn't always translate into goals in the premier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 If he doesn't score 10+ this season we'll probably sell him next summer and rightly so. If he doesn't get 3 years younger this season I think we'll sell him next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I was just watching the goals when he first arrived. The key things I noticed: lots of crosses and through balls and get forward quickly. But above all else what I found the most interesting was due to these factors he rarely had more than one defender around him. When you consider all these factors it's not exactly a surprise in hindsight he managed to consistently score. Feel like Ba had a lot to do with it as well. Occupying defenders, knowing Cisse well enough to know when to get the ball to him, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I hope he does us the favour of not being absolutely wank this term. He's the only striker we've got that has anything resembling PL pedigree. All of the signings we've made in that department are gambles. Not writing them off at all - but, let's say Riviere, who seems to have been striker #1 in pre-season - there's as much chance of him starting like a house on fire as there is the chance of him not scoring till Christmas. Complete unknown entity with an unimpressive goalscoring record. If he's fit, I'd be starting Cisse. Fuck him off in January if he still doesn't fancy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ba contributed a huge lot to Cisse's fantastic start. The problem started when Ba think "its my turn" and everything fucked up since then. That said, Ba is infinitely better than Cisse. I could understand why Pardew tried all means to urge Ba to stay. It was a lost gamble, everything fucked up, unfortunately. Looking back, I would rather have Ba over Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Cisse would score goals for fun in a team that creates more than five 1/2 chances in a match. Put him in a Liverpool team and he'd be 15+ goals a season. Far too many balls in the box for him to fluff. If that's the case, why haven't a team like them picked him up on the cheap? Two teams have bid pretty big money for him according to those ITK, but he doesn't want to leave. It's a stupid argument anyway when it come from someone who defends Coloccini constantly. Nobody's ever gone near him. Wat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Do we have any word on when he's due back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Papiss come back! You can blame it all on Ba/Jonas/Alsoran. Unbelievable/Dropout/half the forum were wrong, and we just can't live without you..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Papiss come back! You can blame it all on Ba/Jonas/Alsoran. Unbelievable/Dropout/half the forum were wrong, and we just can't live without you..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hakka Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I was just watching the goals when he first arrived. The key things I noticed: lots of crosses and through balls and get forward quickly. But above all else what I found the most interesting was due to these factors he rarely had more than one defender around him. When you consider all these factors it's not exactly a surprise in hindsight he managed to consistently score. He also didn't have much time to think about what he was going to do, he's very much an snatch at the moment striker than a person who deeply thinks about his actions. The space is the most important thing though. There was a spell where for some reason, Pardew had balls to accept pushing 4 players to attack the final third of the pitch together and that draws defenders away. They go more man for man in defending it making it easier for an attacker to just beat his marker and have a chance at goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 29 now - ancient by the criteria used in this regime and probably why they have been trying to flog him. Still looks our best scorer (unless Chucky turns out to be decent). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Papiss come back! You can blame it all on Ba/Jonas/Alsoran. Unbelievable/Dropout/half the forum were wrong, and we just can't live without you..... He's by far our best bet no doubt and I can't wait until he's in the team. I reckon he could get 8 or 9 league goals which is more than I reckon anyone else will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. There's nobody with any credible pedigree upfront. I hope they come good but i'm not expecting them to do a Remy or Ba. Been most impressed with the youngsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. There's nobody with any credible pedigree upfront. I hope they come good but i'm not expecting them to do a Remy or Ba. Been most impressed with the youngsters. Too early to tell really, although I'll happily conceed I wanted a more proven goal scorer. Alas, we all know what this club is like. Riviere's record in Ligue 1 isn't that much worse than Remy's was. Ayoze's record of 1 in 2 in Segunda is quite impressive for a 20 year old, and Ferreyra's is decent as well. Just have to hope that Carr has found some more underrated players who can step up. As of now, after two seasons of failure, I wouldn't exactly say Cisse's Premiership pedigree is beyond doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. There's nobody with any credible pedigree upfront. I hope they come good but i'm not expecting them to do a Remy or Ba. Been most impressed with the youngsters. Too early to tell really, although I'll happily conceed I wanted a more proven goal scorer. Alas, we all know what this club is like. Riviere's record in Ligue 1 isn't that much worse than Remy's was. Ayoze's record of 1 in 2 in Segunda is quite impressive for a 20 year old, and Ferreyra's is decent as well. Just have to hope that Carr has found some more underrated players who can step up. As of now, after two seasons of failure, I wouldn't exactly say Cisse's Premiership pedigree is beyond doubt. Rivière is a 1 in 4 lad in France. Remy little worse than 1 in 2. I think Cisse's shot his load. I've said I think we'll struggle for goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 What about Perez and the Argie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 What about Perez and the Argie Like the look of Perez and his 20 goals in segunda is good work - but if we're relying on a 20 year old from the Spanish second division to score our goals - we should be worried. I'm worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. There's nobody with any credible pedigree upfront. I hope they come good but i'm not expecting them to do a Remy or Ba. Been most impressed with the youngsters. Too early to tell really, although I'll happily conceed I wanted a more proven goal scorer. Alas, we all know what this club is like. Riviere's record in Ligue 1 isn't that much worse than Remy's was. Ayoze's record of 1 in 2 in Segunda is quite impressive for a 20 year old, and Ferreyra's is decent as well. Just have to hope that Carr has found some more underrated players who can step up. As of now, after two seasons of failure, I wouldn't exactly say Cisse's Premiership pedigree is beyond doubt. Rivière is a 1 in 4 lad in France. Remy little worse than 1 in 2. I think Cisse's shot his load. I've said I think we'll struggle for goals. Loic Remy scored 53 in 148 in Ligue 1. Hardly 1 in 2. Look, I'm not saying Riviere or one of the other two are at that level, but I sure hope one of them beats Cisse's 1 in 6 over the past two seasons, or we're dead and burried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 A bit early to write off our 3 new forwards no, one of whom hasn't even seen the pitch yet, one who has looked decent in 1/2 outings and the last one who although young has shown glimmers of quality in his very limited pitch time? If we are relying on wor Papiss to refind his form from two years ago and fire us to safety we're as good as down. There's nobody with any credible pedigree upfront. I hope they come good but i'm not expecting them to do a Remy or Ba. Been most impressed with the youngsters. Too early to tell really, although I'll happily conceed I wanted a more proven goal scorer. Alas, we all know what this club is like. Riviere's record in Ligue 1 isn't that much worse than Remy's was. Ayoze's record of 1 in 2 in Segunda is quite impressive for a 20 year old, and Ferreyra's is decent as well. Just have to hope that Carr has found some more underrated players who can step up. As of now, after two seasons of failure, I wouldn't exactly say Cisse's Premiership pedigree is beyond doubt. Rivière is a 1 in 4 lad in France. Remy little worse than 1 in 2. I think Cisse's shot his load. I've said I think we'll struggle for goals. Loic Remy scored 53 in 148 in Ligue 1. Hardly 1 in 2. Look, I'm not saying Riviere or one of the other two are at that level, but I sure hope one of them beats Cisse's 1 in 6 over the past two seasons, or we're dead and burried. To be honest of late it rather feels like we're not dead but we are buried Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 What about Perez and the Argie Like the look of Perez and his 20 goals in segunda is good work - but if we're relying on a 20 year old from the Spanish second division to score our goals - we should be worried. I'm worried. I'm more worried as we appear to not be giving Perez much game time on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Remy scored 26 & 27 in 68 x2 for his previous 2 clubs. A goal every 2.3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 He was about that for QPR too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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