Mr Logic Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. If the question over Wonga is a moral one rather than a religious one, then why is Cisse still the only member of the playing squad to object to wearing the shirt? Unless I've totally missed the point here, surely every NUFC player, Muslim or not, has a right to protest against advertising payday loan companies on the grounds that it can be seen to be exploitative rather than sacrilegious, and yet Cisse is out on his tod. Either Papiss is some sort of selfless humanitarian or he is simply using this whole debacle to further his own interests. There is another option. Cisse is being used, some religous fuckwit offering him bad advice. Perhaps the least likely scenario though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. If the question over Wonga is a moral one rather than a religious one, then why is Cisse still the only member of the playing squad to object to wearing the shirt? Unless I've totally missed the point here, surely every NUFC player, Muslim or not, has a right to protest against advertising payday loan companies on the grounds that it can be seen to be exploitative rather than sacrilegious, and yet Cisse is out on his tod. Either Papiss is some sort of selfless humanitarian or he is simply using this whole debacle to further his own interests. There is another option. Cisse is being used, some religous fuckwit offering him bad advice. Perhaps the least likely scenario though. Maybe its... http://www.nndb.com/people/238/000048094/wd4.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think Cisse wearing a non-sponsored/charity sponsored shirt would only increase their exposure. Every time we play people who don't know are going to be questioning why he is wearing a different shirt etc.. I do struggle to believe this is a genuine reason for him not playing though. As logic said it could be outside influence, or it could be him wanting away but I really don't think HE is that bothered about Wonga. He certainly doesn't live the life of a devout Muslim from what has often been mentioned and I really find it difficult to believe this is the straw that broke the camels back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Have to say, it's really weird that people are jumping to the conclusion that he has any other agenda than just not wanting to wear the shirt. I'm not convinced myself that he isn't just using this as an excuse, but until I know better I'll go along with the official version that it is a religious objection. Which is why I would like to test that loyalty by a compromise where he doesn't have to wear the Wonga badge, but I can't see that happening. It would be nice to see what he would do if we agreed though, seeing as his spokesmen are saying he'd be happy to play without the sponsor's shirt. Call his bluff if you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Off thread but espn has Leeds v Nufc on right now - you know the one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think Cisse wearing a non-sponsored/charity sponsored shirt would only increase their exposure. Every time we play people who don't know are going to be questioning why he is wearing a different shirt etc.. What would stop all the other players deciding they wanted a charity sponsor or non-sponsored shirt too? You can't have one rule for one and not the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being prevented from going on a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the squad is something that the rest of them feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. Was thinking this earlier, not exactly a great start to the trip all this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 All the club can do is perhaps agree a deal with Wonga whereby Cisse can play without the sponsor on his kits. And if he doesn't agree to that, then it'll be clear he's angling for a move away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 All the club can do is perhaps agree a deal with Wonga whereby Cisse can play without the sponsor on his kits. And if he doesn't agree to that, then it'll be clear he's angling for a move away. I think that's what Cisse has offered to do, seems the club and Wonga wont accept that at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nobbys Trumpet Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think Cisse wearing a non-sponsored/charity sponsored shirt would only increase their exposure. Every time we play people who don't know are going to be questioning why he is wearing a different shirt etc.. It will increase their exposure if he refuses to wear it definitely, but not in a good way. It's bad publicity for them, especially when there's loan companies who aren't morally questionable (according to Cisse) like Virgin Money etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being prevented from going on a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the squad is something that the rest of them feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. Was thinking this earlier, not exactly a great start to the trip all this. just standard nufc pre season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being prevented from going on a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the squad is something that the rest of them feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. Was thinking this earlier, not exactly a great start to the trip all this. Just wait 'til JFK gets stuck into the local port. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being prevented from going on a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the squad is something that the rest of them feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. Was thinking this earlier, not exactly a great start to the trip all this. just standard nufc pre season. pretty much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Does seem to be (reading between the lines) that Cisse is seeking to engineer a move and as usual, the silence from Newcastle is deafening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What an awful comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Religion, what crock of shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What an awful comparison. Oh no it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Makes me laugh so many people saying "he's picking and choosing what he wants from Islam" Err so? That's what religion is. The Christians on our team don't murder children that disrespect their parents (as far as I know) so they're picking and choosing what they want from the Bible too. I just hope it gets sorted out so that Cisse is happy to play for us. Any other result is unsatisfactory. I'll always back him ahead of our loyalty to a bunch of scumbags like Wonga. I understand the suspicion, and that if all true he has obviously decided normal banks and personal gambling are fine but wonga aren't, but to me this is a problem that shouldn't be insurmountable through man management. If he just wants to leave he obviously should put int eh transfer request and we should ignore it. I can't dislike him though, amazing goals, if he can regain that form it'll be amazing. People seem so quick to condemn, even if you think he's being an idiot not the first great footballer to be an idiot, this calls for man management not ditching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker. I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here. Is that scenario any better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What an awful comparison. Oh no it's not. A better comparison would be our players refusing to play on Sundays because it's their day of rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think Cisse wearing a non-sponsored/charity sponsored shirt would only increase their exposure. Every time we play people who don't know are going to be questioning why he is wearing a different shirt etc.. What would stop all the other players deciding they wanted a charity sponsor or non-sponsored shirt too? You can't have one rule for one and not the rest. That's the thing. I'm sure many would rather advertise a chosen charity than Wonga! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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