Papiss Cissé

[Guest neesy111]

I'm worried that we are going to have half the season with only Gouffran, Shola and Campbell to choose from upfront.  We seem to be nowhere near signing anyone atm and I can't see this bollocks with Cisse being resolved.

 

That can't be allowed to happen.

 

Duh.

[Dr Venkman]

The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker.

 

I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here.

 

Well you are assuming same as everyone else if you think they will regard it as hypocrisy. For all those saying Wonga is just like Barclays, I'm sorry it's not. I'll bet no major club would touch Wonga with a shitty stick and it's bad enough we stooped to that level, now it's costing us our better players.

 

Just a word on this, they're one of the largest global investors in the arms trade. Mind, those who give so much importance to a book that glorifies holy war might not object to that as much as large interest rates.

[relámpago blanco]

I'm worried that we are going to have half the season with only Gouffran, Shola and Campbell to choose from upfront.  We seem to be nowhere near signing anyone atm and I can't see this bollocks with Cisse being resolved.

 

That can't be allowed to happen.

Stranger things have happened, wouldn't surprise me at all.  We won't pay over the odd's for anyone and we won't sign anyone who doesn't fit the criteria set out by Ashley.  I don't know of many youngish 20 goal a season strikers on the cheap going this summer.

[Guest neesy111]

I still haven't got why we don't take a punt for 1M - 2M on a young striker who can fill in when needed to bolster the squad.

[BlueStar]

How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to?

 

Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest.

 

What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks.

 

No matter how many times I see this argument (and it's a lot) I really don't get it.  Reports are that he has religious and moral objections to it.  I can't see how it's so baffling to people that you might let something slide that has a minor conflict with your religious or moral beliefs, but not something that has a major conflict with it.  That's being quite flexible and accommodating with your beliefs, exactly what people are asking of him.  Oh, a devoutly Jewish player has a problem being sponsored by a porn website?  But they didn't have a problem with begin sponsored by Waitrose who sell pork, HYPOCRITE! HYPOCRITE!  You're Catholic and don't want to be sponsored by an abortion provider?  But you were sponsored by Sainsbury's who sell johnnies, HYPOCRITE! HYPOCRITE!

 

Players would be in their rights to object to the sponsor with no religious justification at all.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to?

 

Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest.

 

What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks.

 

It isn't.

 

The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury.

 

/LockFuckingThread!

[ujpest doza]

Wonga are scum.

barclays are scum also, he's objecting to only one, why ?

You can't compare Barclays and Wonga - they are two completely different businesses

 

Wonga are a horrendous company and it was a sad say when they were announced as our club sponsors and I don't care for how much money.  Newcastle was once a proud club MA has turned it into one of his cheap shops.  Cisse is making a stand, forget what the papers say, this is more a morale stand than a religious one.  It's an absolute joke the club have allowed it to get to this point.  Is it too much for the Club and Wonga for that matter to show a little respect and say fair enough as a gesture of good will we'll allow you not to wear the shirt.  Wonga would have had some 'good' publicity out of it and everyone would have been a winner.  As it stands the club is in a mess, more bad publicity and a VITAL player unhappy and potential out of the door.  And for what?

Having had a fair bit of dealing with Barclays both personally and professionally i'd say Barclays are a horrendous company as well yet he's quite happy with them.

[BlueStar]

Having had a fair bit of dealing with Barclays both personally and professionally i'd say Barclays are a horrendous company as well yet he's quite happy with them.

 

But their entire business model doesn't rely on getting people to take out loans they can't pay back, as is the case with payday loans companies which get 50% from their income not from interest, but from fines and charges for missing payments.

[henke]

How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to?

 

Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest.

 

What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks.

 

It isn't.

 

The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury.

 

I stand corrected, i foolishly assumed that it was black and white. So you can interpret the rule how you see fit and overlook the rules you don't like. Just like every religion really, shoulda known.

 

Either way, while i admire the mans conviction he can't dictate to the club how it's gonna go. And i can't see Ashley allowing him to. I fully expect Cisse is being offered to clubs in France and Germany right now.

[TRon]

The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker.

 

I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here.

 

Well you are assuming same as everyone else if you think they will regard it as hypocrisy. For all those saying Wonga is just like Barclays, I'm sorry it's not. I'll bet no major club would touch Wonga with a shitty stick and it's bad enough we stooped to that level, now it's costing us our better players.

 

Just a word on this, they're one of the largest global investors in the arms trade. Mind, those who give so much importance to a book that glorifies holy war might not object to that as much as large interest rates.

 

Well now I am more educated on the nuances of Barclays global profit strategy. Maybe someone from the club should send Cisse's advisors a dossier on comparative financial corporations and their suitability for their client. Although realistically I think it would be better to keep it simple.

[ujpest doza]

Having had a fair bit of dealing with Barclays both personally and professionally i'd say Barclays are a horrendous company as well yet he's quite happy with them.

 

But their entire business model doesn't rely on getting people to take out loans they can't pay back, as is the case with payday loans companies which get 50% from their income not from interest, but from fines and charges for missing payments.

Barclays charge horrendous amounts for missing payments and going over your limits just like all financial institutions.

 

It's just a cop out way of engineering a transfer.

[TRon]

How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to?

 

Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest.

 

What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks.

 

It isn't.

 

The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury.

 

I stand corrected, i foolishly assumed that it was black and white. So you can interpret the rule how you see fit and overlook the rules you don't like. Just like every religion really, shoulda known.

 

Either way, while i admire the mans conviction he can't dictate to the club how it's gonna go. And i can't see Ashley allowing him to. I fully expect Cisse is being offered to clubs in France and Germany right now.

 

That's fine I can understand their position. But I support Newcastle United not Wonga. If we are going to start losing players because we are associated with that shit stain organisation then we damn well better replace them with someone as good or better.

[Tisd09]

I know Wonga and Virgin Money are very different in how they do business, however, surely Virgin Money's business would also go against Cisse's religion? For me Cisse is in the wrong on this one if the stories are true. Then again as someone pointed out earlier the club hold some responsibility for accepting such a cunty sponsor in the first place.

 

 

 

It's not acceptable for views to be a matter of degree? For example, Cisse things (like almost everyone) that Wonga are a lot worse than Virgin?

 

Yes there are different levels and Wonga are on a different level from Virgin Money, however, supposedly he is using religious grounds not to wear the sponsor on his shirt. I am no expert in Islamic law however, I am assuming there is no side note saying that certain degrees of lending for money is acceptable. The religious grounds that they do not believe in lending money for profit, to me this protest is in part for that reason and partly because of such a cunty reputation Wonga have. If it was purely religion then surely he should have just as strong views against Virgin?

[taxfree]

I don't want no religious bullshit to dictate anything in the club I support. Cissé is the only one who seemingly is making a huge deal out of it too. When it comes to this, he can fuck off. Sure, make a stand, but this is just ridiculous.

[arnonel]

good point, may as well sign up some rapists too.

 

its just football

[taxfree]

good point, may as well sign up some rapists too.

 

its just football

 

Who is this in response to?

[Disco]

If I was Anzhi, or whoever else has been linked with him, I'd be all over a derisory bid around now.

[Dr Venkman]

The other worrying thing about this is the knock-on effects it may have on the other players. Cisse seems like quite a happy-go-lucky, friendly guy to me and those who've met him say the same. Generally he plays the game with a smile on his face. I can't imagine him being precluded from a pre-season training and team-building trip with the rest of the entire playing squad is something that they feel too cracking about, particularly considering he's our number one striker.

 

I wouldn't assume that Cisse has the support of the other players. The other Muslim players aren't raising the same objection, and I would imagine a large part of the squad feel that Cisse is being hypocritical, for the same reasons as several on here.

 

Well you are assuming same as everyone else if you think they will regard it as hypocrisy. For all those saying Wonga is just like Barclays, I'm sorry it's not. I'll bet no major club would touch Wonga with a shitty stick and it's bad enough we stooped to that level, now it's costing us our better players.

 

Just a word on this, they're one of the largest global investors in the arms trade. Mind, those who give so much importance to a book that glorifies holy war might not object to that as much as large interest rates.

 

Well now I am more educated on the nuances of Barclays global profit strategy. Maybe someone from the club should send Cisse's advisors a dossier on comparative financial corporations and their suitability for their client. Although realistically I think it would be better to keep it simple.

 

I didn't mention Cisse, it was a response to you and others saying Wonga are so much worse than Barclays. Obviously that's down to interpretation, but there's lots more to Barclays than charging interest, that's all I'm saying.

[henke]

I don't want no religious bullshit to dictate anything in the club I support. Cissé is the only one who seemingly is making a huge deal out of it too. When it comes to this, he can fuck off. Sure, make a stand, but this is just ridiculous.

 

I think Cisse's possibly painted himself into a corner here. He's spoken about it months ago, the press has go hold of it, and now it's at a point where even if he wanted to just put the shirt on and go to Portugal he look a cunt as well as bad muslim if he does.

[Guest Roger Kint]

If I was Anzhi, or whoever else has been linked with him, I'd be all over a derisory bid around now.

 

Should tell them we want Traore plus cash if they do.

[TaylorJ_01]

Some sort of Traore swap deal would be alright. Pardew would love him.

[Minhosa]

There's not a player yet who's gone up against the Ashley regime and won. They all end up getting shipped out eventually.

 

The writing is on the wall, be it now or January.

 

I like Cisse. He's capable of the unexpected but I'm not sure how suitable he is with the personnel we have behind him. He doesn't really fit the system AP implemented last year and for as long as Pardews here I can't imagine the guy getting a wealth of chances.

[Ste]

28 years old, stop start season last year, Russian clubs apparently sniffing around him and Darren Bent seemingly very keen on signing for us..

 

As Minhosa said, the writings on the wall once you go against the top brass.

 

I'd be sad to see Cisse go as he's a likeable bloke, he tries his best and he's capable of scoring from nothing. The resolution to all of this is so easy, it's frustrating that It can't be settled.

[Jimburst]

Guys, I thought the problem is the fact that Wonga don't offer any muslim friendly loans, i.e. Most banks offer loans for muslims where they don't get charged interest, and instead offer other forms of payment for the loan. Wonga don't do this, and therefore are morally reprehensible.

 

Secondly, fucksake, he can make a decision on entirely moral grounds if he wants, I respect morals far higher than religious doctrine, and so should everyone. If you don't believe something is right, stand up for yourselves.

 

Nothing has been said by Cisse on this matter, and I won't be calling him worse than shite before I hear a club statement or something from his representatives.

[Al Moody]

Guys, I thought the problem is the fact that Wonga don't offer any muslim friendly loans, i.e. Most banks offer loans for muslims where they don't get charged interest, and instead offer other forms of payment for the loan. Wonga don't do this, and therefore are morally reprehensible.

 

Secondly, fucksake, he can make a decision on entirely moral grounds if he wants, I respect morals far higher than religious doctrine, and so should everyone. If you don't believe something is right, stand up for yourselves.

 

Nothing has been said by Cisse on this matter, and I won't be calling him worse than s**** before I hear a club statement or something from his representatives.