Neil Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 you get people with every transfer screaming 'just pay the extra £xm ffs!!!!' Just pay the extra two million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Do we actually know Lille's current valuation of the player? Do we know we're refusing to pay it or are we still negotiating? Do we know ourselves or Lille haven't moved the goal posts during negotiations? It's difficult to tell where this deal is at other than we've had a second bid rejected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 £6.2m which is apparently their value is hardly overspending and would still be a great deal. Also we offered £12m for De Jong did'nt we? i highly doubt spending 6.2m on Debuchy would hardly effect other transfers and we was willing to spend 12m on Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 £6.2m which is apparently their value is hardly overspending and would still be a great deal. Also we offered £12m for De Jong did'nt we? i highly doubt spending 6.2m on Debuchy would hardly effect other transfers and we was willing to spend 12m on Carroll. We obviously value De Jong/Carroll more than we do Debuchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 £6.2m which is apparently their value is hardly overspending and would still be a great deal. Also we offered £12m for De Jong did'nt we? i highly doubt spending 6.2m on Debuchy would hardly effect other transfers and we was willing to spend 12m on Carroll. We obviously value De Jong/Carroll more than we do Debuchy. Obviously as they are strikers and a lot younger, but the point remains i doubt the extra million here and there would effect us that badly with other targets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 £6.2m which is apparently their value is hardly overspending and would still be a great deal. Also we offered £12m for De Jong did'nt we? i highly doubt spending 6.2m on Debuchy would hardly effect other transfers and we was willing to spend 12m on Carroll. We obviously value De Jong/Carroll more than we do Debuchy. Obviously as they are strikers and a lot younger, but the point remains i doubt the extra million here and there would effect us that badly with other targets. Then we spend an extra here and there with other signings and we end up with one less player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 the fact that the euro markets will not be lowering the base rates has really helped us today. More clubs will not be seeing the financial help that they hoped for, and the pound just got stronger. We may as well wait until the next inevitable market dip, and the amount we are offering will continue to rise, without us having to increase our actual bid in £'s. plus don't forget, we pay upfront, european clubs will want to cash in whilst the euro still has some value, hold them to ransom on this fee, they will need the money more than us in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Just spent the last 20 mins catching up on this thread, and it makes for depressing reading Basically we haven't got a clue what's happening have we? Was really hanging my hat on this guy coming here I must say. Would be a terrific upgrade at RB for what seems to me, a fair price. I think he would have transformed our right sided options dramatically in both directions. Comfortable on the ball, cool under pressure, strong, quick Can't help feeling this deal is dead. To be fair to Lille, they have a big season ahead of them and can ill afford to have distractions towards the back end of the window. They'd be well within their rights to just draw a line under this saga and shut the whole thing down. No more calls fielded, no more paper talk, no more press conference questions etc. They don't NEED to sell, they would prefer NOT to sell but would consider €8 million an agreeable figure to say goodbye to the current French International right back. I fear it's that simple. I dearly hope we're not but I think we're dead in the water on this. That said it's late and I'm tired so maybe the morning will find me in a cheerier mood. :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 The debate for our board is money vs time with the squad in pre season, people talk as if the windows been closed already. We have no reason to hurry this deal up if Ashley doesnt think that its worth spending an extra 1-2 million just so Debuchy has an extra 1-2 weeks or whatever with us in pre season. That is not a small amount of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 £6.2m which is apparently their value is hardly overspending and would still be a great deal. Also we offered £12m for De Jong did'nt we? i highly doubt spending 6.2m on Debuchy would hardly effect other transfers and we was willing to spend 12m on Carroll. We obviously value De Jong/Carroll more than we do Debuchy. Obviously as they are strikers and a lot younger, but the point remains i doubt the extra million here and there would effect us that badly with other targets. Then we spend an extra here and there with other signings and we end up with one less player Maybe but i still doubt it, in any case for me this is the most important signing out of anything this summer. It fills the last weak spot in the first team the other signings are depth while important it isn't as important getting a fullback in who can only contribute on the ball. Probably will still happen, but if we miss due to a difference of 750k-1.5m then it's a bit silly IMO especially when you consider we have shown this summer we have money. ( or at least we are putting offers in that suggest we do) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 If we made a first offer now? Wich are close to their valuation, I doubt we will back off so quickly and a secondary offer will come quite soonish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Realist Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/blyCb.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 you get people with every transfer screaming 'just pay the extra £xm ffs!!!!' Just pay the extra two million. At first I didn't catch on, but then I saw it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Not trawling back through loads of pages, so no idea if these quotes have been posted. Friday, 3rd August, 2012 Lille coach Rudi Garcia has told Mathieu Debuchy to knuckle down for the season ahead with the club. Debuchy was the subject of a second bid this summer from Newcastle United yesterday, but the €6M put on the table by the Magpies has been judged not good enough by the 2011 Ligue 1 champions. And the transfer saga, which has swirled around Debuchy for most of the last month, has now been comprehensively ended by Lille’s president Michel Seydoux, who has declared that the 27-year-old will not leave. Seydoux believes that not only is Newcastle’s offer a drastic undervaluation of the France international, it also leaves Lille without time to buy an adequate replacement ahead of a crucial August which sees the club involved in the Champions League qualification round. Debuchy has been vocal over his desire to leave Lille this summer and was relishing the opportunity to play for Newcastle. Coach Garcia has now told him to forget this and concentrate on another season with the French giants. "A coach always prefers to have the best players and Mathieu is one of the best full-backs in France, if not Europe", said the Lille boss to France Football. And Garcia urged Debuchy not to feel down about missing out on a dream move and instead give his all for his current club. "He is disappointed. He hoped to leave. It is a normal reaction. "Now he has to work hard for the season. "Mathieu is a responsible boy, this is one of the oddities of the transfer season." Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/08/03/forget-newcastle-and-focus-on-lille-rudi-garcia-advises-mathieu-debuchy/66435/#qKukEfCBlzlmUX9M.99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 drastic undervaluation Crazy. time to move on if he truly believes that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 I'm sure he wishes he never signed that extension in 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 fucks sake seydoux, would love to wait on him someday and piss on his frogs legs sell is your players man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Yep move on, really pissed off we spent all summer on this one and allowed Clyne to go to Southampton, I'm sure we would have been first choice there for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 So if according to Seydoux, our second offer was a "drastic undervaluation", can the people who keep saying that all we need to do is throw in another million or two just shut up, unless you think 1-2 million is the difference between an offer being accepted and one being drastically undervalued in which case, you're just dumb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Depends if you're willing to believe every word their chairman says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Depends if you're willing to believe every word their chairman says. Good point, but when people say just throw in another 1-2 million and we'll get him, what are they basing this on aside from the what their Chairman says. If its just a guess based on the assumption that they will meet us somewhere in the middle, then that's all it is, a guess and should not be drummed on as if it's a certainty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Well that's true as well yeah, you're not going to make me admit that the conversation surrounding this transfer has not made me contemplate mass genocide because it has. People have been speculating and talking shit and making assumptions and talking about various crazy scenarios for months now regarding Debuchy and it's enough to make you lose your faith in humanity itself, never mind question why so many morons sign up for N-O and insist on posting constantly. That said, another £1.5m should do it imo, fingers crossed we bite the bullet and give them the cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Just seen the collapse now. Sigh, it felt as if we missed an open goal at first glance but really, 6m for an international fullback coming from the back of a good major tournament leads to an inevitable conclusion, given the club president he works with. Disappointing, but we can live without a new RB, as we've got perch, Simpson, raylor and santon who could play there. Let's move on now, focus on getting a forward and CB, and I think it's still a good window. On a side note, we really should drop the Carroll bid and use the money to get a striker and maybe improve this debuchy bid. Gonna be hard now with that statement from Lille though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 if a player is proven and can improve our team from day one it is ok to pay full price. im sure lille will stand firm on their asking price. we got cabaye cheap, they probably wont let debuchy go cheap as well....wrong signals! pay up Mike and give them that little more they are asking as compensation for the brilliant cabaye buy, then they are more willing to do business with us in the future.....seems like a good place to look for players. 2-3 mill for simpson and the deal doesn´t seem that bad, mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploppy43 Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Whichever way you look at it and no doubt there are a lot of details we are not aware of , this is very embarrassing from a club point of view and may well hinder future transfer dealings with other clubs . Why can't we just keep these things under the radar and get the deals done. My feeling is that we have been puffing our chest out too much regarding this particular transfer -well Pardew inparticular and it seems to have backfired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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