Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. Was the same story last season even with those 2 in the team. It's not a flat 4-4-2 though, this is a diamond 4-4-2 ala Milan not quite the same. Diamond my arse, it looks and is being played nothing like that. Not sure tbh, but it definitely isnt a flat 4-4-2 either Jonas has spent 90% of the match in the middle so has Vuckic, while Obertan seems to be moving between the centre and the right. I think with Cabaye and Hatem instead of Vuckic and Obertan it would work a lot better, at least we are keeping possession reasonably well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. It would improve the team, but a different formation would improve the team more imo. Agreed 4-3-3 is the way to go, but Pardew seems against it for some reason. It can't just be because of Ba can it? I actually think it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Im by no means writing the lad off, but I can't think of an occasion when ive been overly impressed by Vuckic if im honest. He seems very immobile and dallys on the ball. Hope i'm wrong but I can't see him making an impact on the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. It would improve the team, but a different formation would improve the team more imo. Agreed 4-3-3 is the way to go, but Pardew seems against it for some reason. It can't just be because of Ba can it? Ba, and the fact that we're playing a different set of wingers (Jonas and Obertan instead of Ba and Ben Arfa, who are more of forwards than wingers really) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. Was the same story last season even with those 2 in the team. It's not a flat 4-4-2 though, this is a diamond 4-4-2 ala Milan not quite the same. Diamond my arse, it looks and is being played nothing like that. Not sure tbh, but it definitely isnt a flat 4-4-2 either Jonas has spent 90% of the match in the middle so has Vuckic, while Obertan seems to be moving between the centre and the right. I think with Cabaye and Hatem instead of Vuckic and Obertan it would work a lot better, at least we are keeping possession reasonably well. We have wide men who come inside all the time, now if the full backs dont overlap then its just one big mess with no width and the attacks brakedown. 4-3-3 and if Demba gets the hump, sod him (only in the system sense) the team is more important than his ego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tobiazvanderziaz Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Indeed Obertan have some core competence atributes like his pace and at times good technique but his lack of work rate, commitment and intelligence is appaling. By far the Newcastle player who frustrates me the most!!.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 http://gifs.gifbin.com/3204840swsw.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 May as well embrace the horror, Obertans never going to be good enough, it's a shame because i thought that given a new lease of life here he might do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. It would improve the team, but a different formation would improve the team more imo. Agreed 4-3-3 is the way to go, but Pardew seems against it for some reason. It can't just be because of Ba can it? I actually think it is Surely Pardew's got more about him than to be dictated to by a player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I love the fact that Obertan is still being taken seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 We simply dont create enough in a 4-4-2. And as for Demba, his first touch Indeed. Keeping possession very nicely but it's going nowhere. Surely a personnel issue though? put Hatem and Cabaye in this system instead of Vuckic and Obertan and i don't see it being a problem. Was the same story last season even with those 2 in the team. It's not a flat 4-4-2 though, this is a diamond 4-4-2 ala Milan not quite the same. Diamond my arse, it looks and is being played nothing like that. Not sure tbh, but it definitely isnt a flat 4-4-2 either Jonas has spent 90% of the match in the middle so has Vuckic, while Obertan seems to be moving between the centre and the right. I think with Cabaye and Hatem instead of Vuckic and Obertan it would work a lot better, at least we are keeping possession reasonably well. We have wide men who come inside all the time, now if the full backs dont overlap then its just one big mess with no width and the attacks brakedown. 4-3-3 and if Demba gets the hump, sod him (only in the system sense) the team is more important than his ego. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I lovehate the fact that Obertan is still being taken seriously. FYP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I'm sure Pardew will go back to 4-3-3 once Ben Arfa is fully fit - at least against the sides we expect to win against. The 4-4-2 is the solid formation in that we're looking to not lose first, then to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Also 3 up top as i've said before doesn't have to mean wide men and a centre forward meaning Ba or Cisse is left out. Play 3 up and let them roam into each others positions, movement and stop playing so bloody rigidly. Honestly we as English team have to stop this solid shit, especially in the front positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I don't usually slag off our players but I can't believe the praise i'm hearing for Obertan on here from some quarters. They guys got pace and good feet and there it stops. He makes the wrong decision 9 times out of 10. He just played a short backpass to Raylor cos he'd run out of ideas but the ball put Raylor under immediate pressure and he lost the ball, Obertan just stood and watch as all this happened. Then when he's free of the last defender he fires a ball across the goalmouth without any regard as to wether there was anyone there or not, Cisse was about 10 yars behind the ball. He's never going to make it at this level imo. As to 4-4-2, it's still not working well. Even with Cabaye and Ben Arfa instead of Vuckic and Obertan I'd have worries about it. And most of all, outside our first choice 13/14 we have little left to offer. Eh, where was this? Key word was SOME Dave. Looks like the Obertan renaissance is happening Think Obertan has had quite a good pre season to be fair. Certianly goes into the season better prepared than HBA. Obertan's been our most dangerous player! Well done Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Passing it out from the keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Good work by Santon. Then Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Great finish Obertan Fucking throw-in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Oh god. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 For a throw, Obertan is so talented Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Obermong man :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 What happened? I froze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Fucking hell... :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 What happened? I froze. In fear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 What happened? I froze. So did Obertan apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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