samag Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Why would they leave their jobs to come here for less pay and no more spending power? spot on . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Fervently hope that if we finish this season in anything like decent form, Pardew will not be sacked. I'd be quietly embarrassed on behalf of the club - again - if he was. If we finish the season in decent form I don't think many will be calling for him to be sacked tbf. I think there's a small group that dislike him regardless, but nowhere near the majority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 let's be honest if we stay up now and even come close to top half we'll have had a storming 2nd half to the season so everyone will have forgotten this point for sure if he's then given a chance and doesn't resort to hoofball and 4-4-2 i'll have little argument with it i suppose he would go a long way to convincing people he's an actual football manager by never playing shola against anyone other than the mackems, at the moment that decision alone is betraying him as an utter charlatan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 TT, do you really believe Ashley would keep Pardew if he finishes 10th but not if he finishes 15th? Doesn't seem to tally with the common view that Ashley isn't interested in football. Why should those two finishes be any different in his eyes? FWIW I think Pardew is here for the long term unless we get relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Fervently hope that if we finish this season in anything like decent form, Pardew will not be sacked. I'd be quietly embarrassed on behalf of the club - again - if he was. If we finish the season in decent form I don't think many will be calling for him to be sacked tbf. I think there's a small group that dislike him regardless, but nowhere near the majority. What has he ever done in his past career that gives people confidence that he is going to be a top manager with the same club over a period of more than 2 years ? Why does anyone think it is going to be different here..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What has he ever done in his past career that gives people confidence that he is going to be a top manager with the same club over a period of more than 2 years ? has he not been shitcanned before 2 years in every other job? west ham was longer but he never got 2 seasons in the top flight did he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Fervently hope that if we finish this season in anything like decent form, Pardew will not be sacked. I'd be quietly embarrassed on behalf of the club - again - if he was. If we finish the season in decent form I don't think many will be calling for him to be sacked tbf. I think there's a small group that dislike him regardless, but nowhere near the majority. What has he ever done in his past career that gives people confidence that he is going to be a top manager with the same club over a period of more than 2 years ? Why does anyone think it is going to be different here..? Just as well Ipswich gave Robson a chance after his previous track record was to get Fulham relegated and then gave him time after a few rubbish seasons. Managers can improve. Pardew may not, but it is possible that he might come back a better manager for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 i'd say we're about to find out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfmag Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 TT, do you really believe Ashley would keep Pardew if he finishes 10th but not if he finishes 15th? Doesn't seem to tally with the common view that Ashley isn't interested in football. Why should those two finishes be any different in his eyes? FWIW I think Pardew is here for the long term unless we get relegated. Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What has he ever done in his past career that gives people confidence that he is going to be a top manager with the same club over a period of more than 2 years ? has he not been shitcanned before 2 years in every other job? west ham was longer but he never got 2 seasons in the top flight did he? This is the crux of it really. Not many managers have more than two years in any job because they're almost always sacked as soon as things go wrong. My views on Pardew are properly mixed... I think he is a decent manager overall and I like how he comes across usually. But some of his decisions have been a bit weird. Then again, I can't remember a manager where the fans have agreed exactly with their decisions on selection and tactics. I also think his interviews are unfairly and excessively analysed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 TT, do you really believe Ashley would keep Pardew if he finishes 10th but not if he finishes 15th? Doesn't seem to tally with the common view that Ashley isn't interested in football. Why should those two finishes be any different in his eyes? FWIW I think Pardew is here for the long term unless we get relegated. Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" OK, so Ashley does have football-related targets then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" sweet jesus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Historically it's taken roughtly two seasons for the 'blag' to wear off. Apparently, suddenly all his 'hoppity - skippity', grinning, bedroom eyes, cheeky post match narnia - illusions to magic turns into a big wet brown mushroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 TT, do you really believe Ashley would keep Pardew if he finishes 10th but not if he finishes 15th? Doesn't seem to tally with the common view that Ashley isn't interested in football. Why should those two finishes be any different in his eyes? FWIW I think Pardew is here for the long term unless we get relegated. Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" How much do you know about NUFC/Pardew that you aren't able to divulge on this forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" sweet jesus I've seen quite a few people agree that our average finish should be about 8th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" sweet jesus I've seen quite a few people agree that our average finish should be about 8th. it was more the use of "par" that bothered me, but now i realise golfmag himself just used it as opposed to that being the internal mantra of the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Historically it's taken roughtly two seasons for the 'blag' to wear off. Apparently, suddenly all his 'hoppity - skippity', grinning, bedroom eyes, cheeky post match narnia - illusions to magic turns into a big wet brown mushroom. Arguable for sure, the difference is this time he won't get sacked so we'll get to see what season three is like. Maybe he's developed and will have a way to turn things around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Historically it's taken roughtly two seasons for the 'blag' to wear off. Apparently, suddenly all his 'hoppity - skippity', grinning, bedroom eyes, cheeky post match narnia - illusions to magic turns into a big wet brown mushroom. Arguable for sure, the difference is this time he won't get sacked so we'll get to see what season three is like. Maybe he's developed and will have a way to turn things around. Alternatively he gets hit by a fukin bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 we'll know in the next 3 games if he'll ever turn this around and improve as a manager and if he's learned anything from the 1st half of the season, i refuse to accept that if he retreats into his shell now and tries to 1-0 his way to safety with shola up top & cisse on the wing that he'll ever improve as a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Good luck getting those 12 points over Liverpool then Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Long term he's not the answer regardless of what happens this season. He's not implemented any kind of footballing philosophy on the club, he's too worried about using training to stop the other team play. If we want to be able to compete top 8 places season after season we need our own style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Long term he's not the answer regardless of what happens this season. He's not implemented any kind of footballing philosophy on the club, he's too worried about using training to stop the other team play. If we want to be able to compete top 8 places season after season we need our own style. Unfortunatly we have our own style under Pardew, and everyone else in the league knows it, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just another thought on this. I don't think it would take a long time to implement a playing style on a squad. See Laudrup at Swansea/Rodgers at Liverpool. If I was in charge, I'd pull the trigger now before it gets any worse. I'd go all out to get a well respected coach, perhaps continental that would work within the confines of the regime. Obvs this wont happen. But as far as I see it now, there can't be many who would be doing a worse job than he is right now To be fair, for Laudrup he already had a mentality and style at Swansea to progress and develop. Our style has been broken for years and needed starting from scratch, unfortunately Pards does not know how to set the foundations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 ...with Newcastle being another good example of that. Pardew coming in, playing a defensive style and promising all the while that he's going to try to move in a more positive, attacking direction, then encountering problems when he tried to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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