ATB Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Obviously great managers will influence a game far more than their usual share, same for great players. That is a great way of putting it. That makes no sense at all. As been said in this post coaches/managers has a huge impact in a team in many ways. mrmojorisin75 said it perfect. Pardew is not a good manager, he's not a terrible one, but he's certainly not good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Obviously great managers will influence a game far more than their usual share, same for great players. Going by this thread Pardew influences 90% of shit results(Willo/Shola/Simpson 10%) and the players influence 100% of good results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Obviously great managers will influence a game far more than their usual share, same for great players. Going by this thread Pardew influences 90% of s*** results(Willo/Shola/Simpson 10%) and the players influence 100% of good results About right tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Watched the father ted football episode last night, hillarious. His silver hair reminds me of Pardew and some of his tactics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0enKDDy-BcU&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dfather%2Bted%2Bfootball%2Bepisode%26oq%3Dfather%2Bted%2Bfootball%26gs_l%3Dyoutube.3.1.0l5.75.7022.0.8458.27.15.2.8.9.0.134.1460.9j6.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.UTlLdve_V_Q&has_verified=1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Obviously great managers will influence a game far more than their usual share, same for great players. That is a great way of putting it. That makes no sense at all. As been said in this post coaches/managers has a huge impact in a team in many ways. mrmojorisin75 said it perfect. Pardew is not a good manager, he's not a terrible one, but he's certainly not good enough for us. it's just stating the obvious, like saying great managers will win more games than average ones pardew, as i see it, is responsible for the following (but not limited to this list): all training, prep and tactics team selection formation and tactics come match days decisions he can influence during a game by tactical switches, subs etc. player motivation as i said, not limited to, but these are key things he can influence for me and i'd personally credit him with total success in only one area - man management - which he's been pretty excellent at throughout, the rest of it is massively hit and miss, with the emphasis on miss we'll likely never know the truth about how much say he has in player recruitment but what we know renders that irrelevant really, he's been handed diamonds either way not lumps of coal, he needs to make it work next season...in fact he could really do with making it work fast towards the end of this season or it's ultimately been a bit of a disaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I was expecting a long discussion of Pards' new goatee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I was expecting a long discussion of Pards' new goatee 1. Its shit 2. He needs to consult Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Interesting point - Ashley has just cashed in 100m worth of shares in SD..there is speculation as to what he will do with it and it seems to be a toss-up between buying a stake in House of Fraser, or spending it on the team. How many feel he would still be happy to keep Pardew at the helm if this does happen..? How many on here would be happy with 100m worth of players arriving to be coached by the current manager..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Interesting point - Ashley has just cashed in 100m worth of shares in SD..there is speculation as to what he will do with it and it seems to be a toss-up between buying a stake in House of Fraser, or spending it on the team. How many feel he would still be happy to keep Pardew at the helm if this does happen..? How many on here would be happy with 100m worth of players arriving to be coached by the current manager..? NUFC became just another business to him once the fun stopped. The setup is now in place to keep it ticking over, build it to a point of self sustainability, or even a little better. Do you think the welts are healed enough for him to enjoy throwing more (in all likelihood irrecoverable) money at it again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Interesting point - Ashley has just cashed in 100m worth of shares in SD..there is speculation as to what he will do with it and it seems to be a toss-up between buying a stake in House of Fraser, or spending it on the team. How many feel he would still be happy to keep Pardew at the helm if this does happen..? How many on here would be happy with 100m worth of players arriving to be coached by the current manager..? Never mind 100m more. I can see a lot of the current crop wanting to leave if they continue to be stifled by the moron we have in charge at the moment. Pardew out in the summer hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Interesting point - Ashley has just cashed in 100m worth of shares in SD..there is speculation as to what he will do with it and it seems to be a toss-up between buying a stake in House of Fraser, or spending it on the team. How many feel he would still be happy to keep Pardew at the helm if this does happen..? How many on here would be happy with 100m worth of players arriving to be coached by the current manager..? NUFC became just another business to him once the fun stopped. The setup is now in place to keep it ticking over, build it to a point of self sustainability, or even a little better. Do you think the welts are healed enough for him to enjoy throwing more (in all likelihood irrecoverable) money at it again? It wasn't my speculation - came from the Business pages of the Express. I have no idea what Ashley has planned and neither do they in reality - I posed the question simply because it IS a possible option. I gather you are convinced it won't happen ; Ashley wouldn't want to let it be known even if he DID have that in mind and rightly so.... You didn't answer the rhetorical questions, though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 if the 100m is to be spent on NUFC i suspect it'll go towards our attempt at a newfangled academy, not necessarily players. Is a lot of money to spread around though. I don't think though Ashley is going to break his spending policy for players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 if the 100m is to be spent on NUFC i suspect it'll go towards our attempt at a newfangled academy, not necessarily players. Is a lot of money to spread around though. I don't think though Ashley is going to break his spending policy for players. Wasnt it said he is buying a stake in House of Fraser and not using it on us? And i heard a new academy/training ground was in the planning stages regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 There's no chance 100 mil is being pumped into this club and even if it did Pards wouldn't get it - as in he wouldn't let Pards spunk it away. Carr maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Honest question. Who do we think has the most influence over the result of the match. Would be interesting to guage as a percentage, eg: Manager: 20% Players: 70% Crowd: 10% This blows my f***ing mind, bloke at work pipes up with it all the time. 20% for the manager? I Someone else said it I think, even if this was true you can judge a manager by what he does to change things when they're not working. I shouldn't have to explain that any further. Pardew is not a good manager, he's not a terrible one, but he's certainly not good enough for us. Someone should tell Fergie he can have 20% credit for the last 25+ years ffs. I think you missed my point. I meant from the point of kick off. Obviously if you want to get technical, you could in theory say Owner 100%, Manager 0% if you are Man City. This thread blew up after the Swansea game. I thought we were setup correctly and dominated parts of the game. So, the preparations were obviously not dreadful. Then in the dying moments, a defensive mistake and we lose. Everyone blames Pardew. So my point above was. How much influence did he really have after the kickoff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Interesting point - Ashley has just cashed in 100m worth of shares in SD..there is speculation as to what he will do with it and it seems to be a toss-up between buying a stake in House of Fraser, or spending it on the team. How many feel he would still be happy to keep Pardew at the helm if this does happen..? How many on here would be happy with 100m worth of players arriving to be coached by the current manager..? NUFC became just another business to him once the fun stopped. The setup is now in place to keep it ticking over, build it to a point of self sustainability, or even a little better. Do you think the welts are healed enough for him to enjoy throwing more (in all likelihood irrecoverable) money at it again? I think he's through the worst of his tenure now though, he seems to be caring about the club again in his own way. Obviously he won't suddenly start poring more of his own money in like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As a massive critic of Pardew, mainly for the terrible football he had the team playing, and the set penises....enough said about them. But i've been encouraged by the football since the new lads came in, now adding Ben Arfa to that.... We have seemingly taken to dissecting every loss or poorer performance. The two losses since the transfer window have had decent play from us, so while i still have little faith in Pardew i see no reason to bash him at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As a massive critic of Pardew, mainly for the terrible football he had the team playing, and the set penises....enough said about them. But i've been encouraged by the football since the new lads came in, now adding Ben Arfa to that.... We have seemingly taken to dissecting every loss or poorer performance. The two losses since the transfer window have had decent play from us, so while i still have little faith in Pardew i see no reason to bash him at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As a massive critic of Pardew, mainly for the terrible football he had the team playing, and the set penises....enough said about them. But i've been encouraged by the football since the new lads came in, now adding Ben Arfa to that.... We have seemingly taken to dissecting every loss or poorer performance. The two losses since the transfer window have had decent play from us, so while i still have little faith in Pardew i see no reason to bash him at the moment. when, when he finally gets us to safety and keeps us up then he's got another full season to turn it all around and i wouldn't necessarily deny him that myself, as big a critic as i am there are some signs he's developing, maybe, but part of me truly think it's him having no other option than to abandon his plan a due to the fact we're not signing the cloggers he needs for that game...in my heart of hearts i don't believe he believes in free-flowing attacking football and that shines through even with the players he now has at his disposal no-one should ever forget how truly awful he was when his back was against the wall this season because that's what defines him as a manager, not having 4 new quality players handed to him on a plate and then getting them to play some decent football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 TBF to him he has managed to incorporate some less than brilliant players throughout his time here, without them necessary having as bad an effect on the team as we expected. I share some of the reservations about whether he really believes in attacking football though. Not that believing in attacking football is necessarily essential to being a good manager, it's just that most fans want it (especially here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 TBF to him he has managed to incorporate some less than brilliant players throughout his time here, without them necessary having as bad an effect on the team as we expected. I share some of the reservations about whether he really believes in attacking football though. Not that believing in attacking football is necessarily essential to being a good manager, it's just that most fans want it (especially here). well, it's going to be relatively important given that we've got a squad full of gifted attacking players with technical ability and very few who are suited to closing games out etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As a massive critic of Pardew, mainly for the terrible football he had the team playing, and the set penises....enough said about them. But i've been encouraged by the football since the new lads came in, now adding Ben Arfa to that.... We have seemingly taken to dissecting every loss or poorer performance. The two losses since the transfer window have had decent play from us, so while i still have little faith in Pardew i see no reason to bash him at the moment. when, when he finally gets us to safety and keeps us up then he's got another full season to turn it all around and i wouldn't necessarily deny him that myself, as big a critic as i am there are some signs he's developing, maybe, but part of me truly think it's him having no other option than to abandon his plan a due to the fact we're not signing the cloggers he needs for that game...in my heart of hearts i don't believe he believes in free-flowing attacking football and that shines through even with the players he now has at his disposal no-one should ever forget how truly awful he was when his back was against the wall this season because that's what defines him as a manager, not having 4 new quality players handed to him on a plate and then getting them to play some decent football I'm definitely in your corner on this, i won't comment on the football for most of this season as i've ranted enough about how crap it was. I think if he starts next season poorly it'll be interesting to see how the board react, especially if Ashley lets us buy a couple more players in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 "I have even grown a beard because Russian people are famous for great beards." If we played a game in Ireland no doubt he'll turn up with a giant leprechaun hat on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 "I have even grown a beard because Russian people are famous for great beards." If we played a game in Ireland no doubt he'll turn up with a giant leprechaun hat on Hardly, fashion first for Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 "I have even grown a beard because Russian people are famous for great beards." If we played a game in Ireland no doubt he'll turn up with a giant leprechaun hat on He actually says 'Russia people' in the interview. He has such a basic grasp of the English language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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