Parky Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm fucking sick of watching us try to attack teams and have pretty much nothing to offer other than individual player traits. We do nothing as a team going forward. It just goes wide and then if we can swing it in, we do. Against Stoke man. Honestly? That's the best we can do? Why aren't we working it into better positions from out wide and making them worry about movement and passing? Something that we've got the players to do. The only other bit of impetus we had today was Sissoko running from deep, that's just what he does and he'd do it for any team in any game against any opposition. We just did enough to win today,just. Yes the substitute made the winner but fucking hell man he should have been on the pitch for much longer. What is this thing with Jonas playing 90 minutes? And Tiote getting a game over Anita in the league every week regardless of opposition. Pardew is far, far too concerned with stopping the opposition and I'm pig sick of watching it. I posted the above in the match thread. There's something else I want to say in here though. We tend to judge Pardew game to game, 'he did ok today, poor performance today' etc. I think the bigger picture is more telling to be honest. The football is poor, unimaginative and workman like, overall it was the same last season, many voiced their concerns, and with this team it's not good enough. You can only get so far on relying on your players individual ability and not appearing to attempt any sort of attacking, cohesive game plan to win a game. It's probably about 10th with this group of players. He's a defensive coach, he's never gonna change. Never. Ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We've got no offensive gameplan apart from individual brilliance and overlapping fullbacks. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We've got no offensive gameplan apart from individual brilliance and overlapping fullbacks. That's it. Cause our two players who have vision weren't on the park (one was for 14min). We scored the winner with a ball threaded through the middle. There would be more of that if the actual players who can do it started games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now i do like to slate Pardew but for some reason today i find myself unable to. Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition, Stoke stopped us playing, combined with us not playing well but we won, we found a way and that's promising because we would have lost this game earlier in the season. Still no fan of Pardew's but benefit of the doubt as his subs this time won us the game. Stoke were very good at getting behind the ball and stopping us getting a decent chance. When Sissoko or Gouffran looked to get through there was always about 3 players around them. It's easier for a team to defend when they have absolutely no desire to win which they clearly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Needs a shave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Agree with your two above posts Parky. Also I should clarify. I've said you can only get so far playing like that with these players....we got to 5th, but I feel like the average finish over time will be about 10th if he doesn't improve or take advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Now i do like to slate Pardew but for some reason today i find myself unable to. Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition, Stoke stopped us playing, combined with us not playing well but we won, we found a way and that's promising because we would have lost this game earlier in the season. Still no fan of Pardew's but benefit of the doubt as his subs this time won us the game. Stoke were very good at getting behind the ball and stopping us getting a decent chance. When Sissoko or Gouffran looked to get through there was always about 3 players around them. It's easier for a team to defend when they have absolutely no desire to win which they clearly didn't. Exactly as i saw it, which tbf to them they deserve some credit for. The defending part i mean. As for ambition, just a joke really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Stoke's gameplan has always been to stifle the opposition and hope that something drops when they launch it up the pitch. The only way you can really open them up is if you score early and they're forced to chase the game. It was always going to be a much more difficult game than most anticipated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We don't play Stoke every week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Stoke's gameplan has always been to stifle the opposition and hope that something drops when they launch it up the pitch. The only way you can really open them up is if you score early and they're forced to chase the game. It was always going to be a much more difficult game than most anticipated. Aye, if we got an early goal they would have had to come out and Sissoko would have found more space imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We need a new manager so we can smash every team 5-0. Anything less and ill be disappointed. <Sarcasm/> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 That literally does you no favours at all, posting that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We haven't played that badly lately apart from the Anzhi game in an offensive perspective. We've had enough chances to put games away and it's been more the defensive issues wich has cost us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Winning is good enough for now, no matter how badly we play. For that, monumental hats off. For now? Last time we played well and won for more than a game was nearly twelve full months ago, an it only lasted six or so games. If this season's capitulation from last season's dizzy heights proves anything, anything at all, it's that eventually results follow performances. We're safe from relegation this season and I'm thankful, but I see no reason to think next season will be markedly different from this season if we can't start to demonstrate improved performances. I see a better squad, and better players, but very similar performances so far. The above is nothing even close to to the straw man you've attacked here: We need a new manager so we can smash every team 5-0. Anything less and ill be disappointed. <Sarcasm/> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Subs won the game. Just didn't seem like we were set up to win from the off. In isolation its a good result and performance but taken within the context of the season it's another worrying demonstration of his philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'd definately love a new manager who'd set us up better, but still think people are overreacting to struggling to score against a well organised defence that just put loads of players in the box. We got our service all wrong sure, we were always going to score either from a direct free kick or through clever creative play through middle, way too many bad crosses, but think they were well covered for dealing with them anyway. We didn't play great but it wasn't an abortion of a performance like I've seen repeatedly from us earlier in the season. Pardew yeah, would love him to go and replaced with someone better, sick of how poorly our team move under him especially. He's not going though, and he deserves some credit for making the right subs. He's often been a liability with subs, making overly defensive ones, but seems to have changed his ways a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teapot Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I can't wait to see the back of him Were you at the game today ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 That literally does you no favours at all, posting that. Apologies, im just very frustrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Were you at the game today ? I was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Having a good ol' chuckle at the posts made around 4.27, like. So delightfully smug. In my opinion, we haven't had a 'bad' performance since we won away at Villa. We look a team again and we're winning games. That's us now nine points clear of 18th, and looking up. That team today was missing our captain, Krul and Ben Arfa. We dominated the game, but struggled to break down a woeful but well organised Stoke team. Surprisingly enough, without our most creative player and chief attacking threat. We went behind to a pen from an idiotic tackle, not anything from open play. I don't remember Elliot being particularly busy in regards to shot stopping. We turned the game around by introducing a more creative player, and a left back with an instruction to attack. We were able to do this by leaving on a player happy to sit and cover in Jonas. He's doing alright, for me, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Having a good ol' chuckle at the posts made around 4.27, like. So delightfully smug. In my opinion, we haven't had a 'bad' performance since we won away at Villa. We look a team again and we're winning games. That's us now nine points clear of 18th, and looking up. That team today was missing our captain, Krul and Ben Arfa. We dominated the game, but struggled to break down a woeful but well organised Stoke team. Surprisingly enough, without our most creative player and chief attacking threat. We went behind to a pen from an idiotic tackle, not anything from open play. I don't remember Elliot being particularly busy in regards to shot stopping. We turned the game around by introducing a more creative player, and a left back with an instruction to attack. We were able to do this by leaving on a player happy to sit and cover in Jonas. He's doing alright, for me, like. I still want someone better but agree with this about this performance, don't quite see how it was as bad as most people seem to have seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPalAl Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Having a good ol' chuckle at the posts made around 4.27, like. So delightfully smug. In my opinion, we haven't had a 'bad' performance since we won away at Villa. We look a team again and we're winning games. That's us now nine points clear of 18th, and looking up. That team today was missing our captain, Krul and Ben Arfa. We dominated the game, but struggled to break down a woeful but well organised Stoke team. Surprisingly enough, without our most creative player and chief attacking threat. We went behind to a pen from an idiotic tackle, not anything from open play. I don't remember Elliot being particularly busy in regards to shot stopping. We turned the game around by introducing a more creative player, and a left back with an instruction to attack. We were able to do this by leaving on a player happy to sit and cover in Jonas. He's doing alright, for me, like. I still want someone better but agree with this about this performance, don't quite see how it was as bad as most people seem to have seen Agree with both posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Not reading the previous pages but i am presuming the usual suspects are saying he was shite again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Not reading the previous pages but i am presuming the usual suspects are saying he was shite again? I wasn't and haven't for a little while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Not reading the previous pages but i am presuming the usual suspects are saying he was shite again? http://i48.tinypic.com/2iitxk8.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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