Alan Pardew

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I find it quite amazing that only 29% ('yes' and 'never lost any') have faith in Pardew, despite him leading us to our highest league position in 8 years and the quarter finals of the uefa cup.

 

 

 

[LFEE]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

[jimmymag]

Perhaps the vote should be a simple in or out at the end of the season? That would be much more informative than the current options.

 

Note: Assuming dirty mackems and other spoilers didn't get involved.

[Stu]

Just out of interest, for those claiming he's not been able to stamp his own 'identity' on the club: what %of player turnover has he had in these last 2years?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Just out of interest, for those claiming he's not been able to stamp his own 'identity' on the club: what %of player turnover has he had in these last 2years?

 

Oh look, another potential excuse!

 

Every team suffers injuries. Every team suffers fixture overload. Every team turns over a number of players.

 

Not many, lack an identy/game plan.

 

WE DO and its as big as the f***ing list of excuses people reel out in their never ending quest to excuse 'Pards/Pardiola/Silver Fox/c*** of any blame because do you know what, we finished 5th last season man. Who else could we get? Just look at Everton with Moyes man, gotta give him time. Ha ha look at the mackems...

 

Blah blah blah blah blah....

 

Stare long and hard at this -

 

 

That is a football. Have another look, go on.

 

And then think about just what we do or rather don't do with this footballl. Seriously think about it. Think about all those corners and what our manager has us doing with that football at set play. Think about how almost every other side seem far more capable of passing the ball about better than we do, even the likes of f***ing Brighton!

 

Think about how many times that football has been slingshoted from the back to the front towards our towering err... Cisse or Ba.

 

Think about how much enjoyment you get from watching us play.

 

My point... its not just about results with people or where we are in the table or where we are not or whether we are in a quarter final or not its about the f***ing football and since Pardew has been our manager it has been mainly turgid s***. That's why I want him gone. He could finish 3rd and win the Europa and the thought of more years of watching clueless football and seeing the likes of Ben Arfa at f***ing right-back trying to take on an entire team from that part of the pitch just does not do it for me.

 

2 whole years and more and NO STYLE. NO GAMEPLAN. Does that not compute with you or those defending him and thoe looking for even the faintest of excuses?

 

I'd love to know how anyone who watches us can consider that we will one day develop a good footballing style under Pardew. He has had 2 years and a host of top quality players at his disposal plus almost universal good will from the owner down to the fans and media. Its not coming people, wake up.

[stozo]

He has been here over 2 years now and we still have no identity or real game plan. We are not an attacking side. We are not a counter attacking side. We are not a defensive side or even a direct side. We are a nothing side that wins games by very fine margins such as a wonder goal, a last minute winner, the individual brilliance of a player etc. etc. We do not beat sides by imposing ourselves onto the game and opposition. And that's because we have no real style of play.

 

We are one of the most lackadaisical side's I've ever seen. We clearly have good players but most of the time it is as if they are complete strangers to one another. There is no rhythm to our play, no real partnerships or link up play and the movement is very poor too. It is easy to see why we have struggled all season to beat teams, especially away from home.

 

Then you have the manager's ridiculous approach to games which are almost always counter productive and not in line with the quality of players we have in the side nor the expectations and aspirations of the fans. Throw in the excuses, the weird team selections and the baffling substitutions and you have the perfect recipe for a well, s*** manager. And that's what he is, a s*** manager who has overseen a disasterous season not only points wise but performance wise too. Together, a lethal combination that will send a side down. We can be thankful there are even worse sides than us in the division.

 

He has constantly failed to get the best out of this side in terms of putting in a performance, even last season where the results were very good, we were putting in abject performances. Our wins were often the result of very fine margins.

 

In over 2 years, there is no style whatsoever. No substance. No real game plan. Our set-play is absolutely atrocious too.

 

Pardew is a man manager, a motivator, a leader and a charmer. He's also a chancer. He is no coach though, no philosopher and no tactician. These players need coaching, they need a football philosophy and they need a tactician. They need someone who knows how to set a side up to attack the opposition, to retain possession, to beat sides, to get the best out of their abilities individually and collective.

 

I ask you this - are we really as bad as Villa, Reading, the mackems? Are we that bad? Because that's where we are at under Pardew, at their level.

 

He doesn't deserve another 10 games or another season or whatever because he hasn't shown in the 2 plus years he has been in charge any idea how to create a football identity that suits our players whatsoever.

 

We will survive, by fine margins. In the immortal words of Crumpy, however, is that acceptable?

 

For me we should be challenging for a top 6 position at least.

 

That's somewhat a bit short of Pardew's own 4th position aim, but one needs to be a bit realistic...

 

Get rid once this awful season ends.

I just think that's grossly unfair on him and is pretty largely based on what we saw Sept-Jan this year.

 

Don't have time to get into a full on debate but look at the 2 years as whole. We've finished 5th and then made the QFs of the Europa League. With a squad that at various times has featured in the first team: Simpson, Williamson, Guthrie (who is in a team that is now bottom of the league), Best (now playing in the Championship), Obertan, Shola Amoebi and others (Ferguson, Sa. Amoebi, Vukcic) who aren't yet ready for the Premier League.

 

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

He has been here over 2 years now and we still have no identity or real game plan. We are not an attacking side. We are not a counter attacking side. We are not a defensive side or even a direct side. We are a nothing side that wins games by very fine margins such as a wonder goal, a last minute winner, the individual brilliance of a player etc. etc. We do not beat sides by imposing ourselves onto the game and opposition. And that's because we have no real style of play.

 

We are one of the most lackadaisical side's I've ever seen. We clearly have good players but most of the time it is as if they are complete strangers to one another. There is no rhythm to our play, no real partnerships or link up play and the movement is very poor too. It is easy to see why we have struggled all season to beat teams, especially away from home.

 

Then you have the manager's ridiculous approach to games which are almost always counter productive and not in line with the quality of players we have in the side nor the expectations and aspirations of the fans. Throw in the excuses, the weird team selections and the baffling substitutions and you have the perfect recipe for a well, s*** manager. And that's what he is, a s*** manager who has overseen a disasterous season not only points wise but performance wise too. Together, a lethal combination that will send a side down. We can be thankful there are even worse sides than us in the division.

 

He has constantly failed to get the best out of this side in terms of putting in a performance, even last season where the results were very good, we were putting in abject performances. Our wins were often the result of very fine margins.

 

In over 2 years, there is no style whatsoever. No substance. No real game plan. Our set-play is absolutely atrocious too.

 

Pardew is a man manager, a motivator, a leader and a charmer. He's also a chancer. He is no coach though, no philosopher and no tactician. These players need coaching, they need a football philosophy and they need a tactician. They need someone who knows how to set a side up to attack the opposition, to retain possession, to beat sides, to get the best out of their abilities individually and collective.

 

I ask you this - are we really as bad as Villa, Reading, the mackems? Are we that bad? Because that's where we are at under Pardew, at their level.

 

He doesn't deserve another 10 games or another season or whatever because he hasn't shown in the 2 plus years he has been in charge any idea how to create a football identity that suits our players whatsoever.

 

We will survive, by fine margins. In the immortal words of Crumpy, however, is that acceptable?

 

For me we should be challenging for a top 6 position at least.

 

That's somewhat a bit short of Pardew's own 4th position aim, but one needs to be a bit realistic...

 

Get rid once this awful season ends.

I just think that's grossly unfair on him and is pretty largely based on what we saw Sept-Jan this year.

 

Don't have time to get into a full on debate but look at the 2 years as whole. We've finished 5th and then made the QFs of the Europa League. With a squad that at various times has featured in the first team: Simpson, Williamson, Guthrie (who is in a team that is now bottom of the league), Best (now playing in the Championship), Obertan, Shola Amoebi and others (Ferguson, Sa. Amoebi, Vukcic) who aren't yet ready for the Premier League.

 

 

 

You make it sound like those players mentioned are the rule and not the exception. Again with league place finish and quarter-final nonsense too.

 

And I'm f***ing sick of hearing how you cannot play good football if you have to rely on a Shola or a Simpson or a Williamson. Wigan have f***ing Caldwell at the back. Just look at their team man.

 

KK had Nicky Butt, Alan Smith and Geremi in  our midfield and we played some good stuff at times despite those players.

 

I'll tell you what is harsh, where we are in the league and how we play. Very harsh given the players we have.

 

Every single side in the league with the possible exception of the mackems play better football than us or have a recognised style of play and game plan.

 

Even West Ham and Stoke.

 

We have nothing. Nothing but 11 players sent out not to loose, to try and win the game by very fine margins, margins Pardew feels is enough. It worked for him last season but a few of us could spot the chinks and even when we were riding high, sort of predicted this season.

 

You cannot win games on a consistent basis with performing well. You can not perform well if you have no style of play or game plan. Even a team of top players will eventually struggle because players need guidance, they need direction. They need to have a working platform to play to. They need the confidence and freedom to express themselves.

 

Pardew is like a dark cloud on a summer's day.

 

I want some f***ing sun shine back.

[jimmymag]

You can bleat all you like regarding Pardew, but the fact is he will be our manager next season. Compute?

[Stu]

Just out of interest, for those claiming he's not been able to stamp his own 'identity' on the club: what %of player turnover has he had in these last 2years?

 

Its not coming people, wake up.

 

Didn't you also write long-winded, condescending posts about how Ashley was ruining the club and didn't have the foggiest?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

You can bleat all you like regarding Pardew, but the fact is he will be our manager next season. Compute?

 

Well that's fucking that then. Close the forum. He's here for all eternity. We have a winner.

 

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Just out of interest, for those claiming he's not been able to stamp his own 'identity' on the club: what %of player turnover has he had in these last 2years?

 

Its not coming people, wake up.

 

Didn't you also write long-winded, condescending posts about how Ashley was ruining the club and didn't have the foggiest?

 

If you can't debate the points....

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

I was going to nitpick over the contradictions you make within your post, but I guess that was just the anger showing.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think there is a bit of fan blinkers being worn there HTT.

 

I would never argue our football this season has been good, but do you not think fans of all those other clubs you mention are whinging as well? I think it's very tempting to judge our own play more harshly than other sides'.

 

We do need to improve though obviously.

[Hughesy]

1 exceptionally good season, 1 exceptionally bad season - give him another one and see what happens is my view.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I think there is a bit of fan blinkers being worn there HTT.

 

I would never argue our football this season has been good, but do you not think fans of all those other clubs you mention are whinging as well? I think it's very tempting to judge our own play more harshly than other sides'.

 

We do need to improve though obviously.

 

You are like a glass of water you...

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

[Dave]

1 exceptionally good season, 1 exceptionally bad season - give him another one and see what happens is my view.

 

Yep. The football has been consistently average so far mind. Wasn't as good last season as results suggested, hasn't been as bad this season as results suggest. It's been marginal in the vast majority of games.

 

If we are to progress, the football needs to be better overall.

 

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

 

[Mole_Toonfan]

1 exceptionally good season, 1 exceptionally bad season - give him another one and see what happens is my view.

 

Yep. The football has been consistently average so far mind. Wasn't as good last season as results suggested, hasn't been as bad this season as results suggest. It's been marginal in the vast majority of games.

 

If we are to progress, the football needs to be better overall.

 

How i see it too.

[colinmk]

1 exceptionally good season, 1 exceptionally bad season - give him another one and see what happens is my view.

 

Yep. The football has been consistently average so far mind. Wasn't as good last season as results suggested, hasn't been as bad this season as results suggest. It's been marginal in the vast majority of games.

 

If we are to progress, the football needs to be better overall.

 

 

I know what yous are saying but I just can't see it going well if he stays on. I am more than happy to be proven wrong though. The main thing that worries me is keeping him on, nothing changing and then we have to face up to the prospect of losing HBA, Cisse, Krul etc.

[SLK]

HTT I don't agree with you regarding not having a style at all. Not saying it has been a good season to watch but given the reasons (not excuses) that has been mentioned before numerous times here, we haven't been able to play the way the team is capable of playing. Adding to that loss in confidence  and loss of luck in games were we would have won it last year (Wigan for example). The Fulham game we hit the woodwork and the post 3 times. Against Benfica we hit the post twice and Cisse could have had a hatrick. Against Man U and Arsenal away we played great in long periods until we ran out of steam.

 

Also I think if we had just another good striker to support Cisse rather than the useless Ameobi then we wouldn't be sitting talking about how bad this season has been. We simply lack goal scorers in the team this season especially when Cabaye started the season poorly and HBA has been injured all season. And when Ba left when were left with the under performing Cisse who just started to hit his strides.

 

We need players to chip in with goals from all over the pitch supporting the forwards. We need defenders who can score a few goals a season. We need midfields who can grab 15 goals at least collectively and finally we need more than one striker capable of getting at least 15 goals a season.

[Lotus]

I guess my worry is that next season is just an average of the 1st two, so we finish about 10th (ish), the good players leave for better things, we struggle to buy replacements who as influential if not more so.

Thing is, i know he's been very unlucky this season, however, i also know that he was very lucky last season. Neither will be the norm. Last year you could see there wasn't the consistent quality of our play to warrant a 5th place but somehow we managed. We did't build on that, we didn't evolve a style, a method. This year we've played better than our league position so it's swung the other way.

 

I don't think he's sure of the philosophy he wants to implement. Actually, that's painfully obvious but 'a thought', just look at it and you can see it.

 

Another thing is, you look at managers who are recognised for their ability, obviously, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho and then others not quite mentioned in the same breath, Benitez, Redknapp (christ knows why), Moyes, etc. They can instill a bit of awe in their team, a bit of fear. I think Pardew goes for the buddy buddy approach because he knows he can't pull that off because he, as a manager, as his charges. He's never had a squad this good (and it isn't even that good) but he's never managed players of this calibre and if he gets sacked from here he never will again. If he gives that dressing room a fire and brimstone talk they're gonna think, 'f*ck off, pal. You haven't got enough about you to dish that out'. He knows it so he goes about it being Mr Nice, arm around the shoulder, etc. Deep down, i reckon he knows he's a mismatch. If he really believed his talent made him deserve this he'd have got stuck into the bigger players earlier on in the season, shaken them out of the stuper that just seems to envelop everyone before January.

[Dr Venkman]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

 

Cabaye, Marveuax and Anita can all do it. You're talking nonsense.

[BottledDog]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why some people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

Not sure why you feel a few more games would dramatically change peoples view on either side of the argument.