Alan Pardew

[ujpest doza]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

[ToonMonty]

 

Eh? You've spent the last 5months wishing we had another manager in charge of this group of players.

 

I've spent longer than 5 months wanting a batter manager than Pardew.

 

Please name who you think is better and more importantly realistic

 

Martinez

Montanier

Poyet

Ketsbaia

Garcia

Me

You

Him

Them

They

Anyone

 

?

 

Fair enough I asked for names, rule me out though I'd be rubbish, far too angry

[Guest neesy111]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

 

Robson took over us when we were bottom ffs.

 

Get a grip.

[Tooj]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

Your definition of utter shit obviously differs from mine.

[Guest Spark]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

 

I think his rather obvious point is that Ferguson had some sort of pedigree before going to Man Utd. You've actually strengthened this point with your Bobby Robson example.

[ujpest doza]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

Your definition of utter shit obviously differs from mine.

Did you watch us in 99/00 and 00/01?? We were rank.

[Hanshithispantz]

I find it amazing that some people still want to keep him and the only reasons they can come up with is stability or him being somebody else. 

 

They can't say keep him because he's tactically astute, they can't say keep him because we're good at anything as a football team, they can't say keep him because he improves any area of our play and they can't say keep him because he's improving our players.  Na, keep him because we need stability or keep him because he might be David Moyes.

 

Is that the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped I hear?

 

So who do we get? Names please, not a Pardew fan or hater to be honest, genuine question.  Which manager comes in does better and works within the framework setup by MA/DL?

Seriously cannot understand questions like this at all. As fans we have no idea how much Ashley is willing to fork out or who he is willing to work with so any names mentioned would just be a fans personal preference, which someone then turns around and says "we'll never get him"

 

If Ashley wanted to replace Pardew there are dozens of managers out there who could do a better job with our squad.

So who would be your personal preference? It's so easy to say sack this sack that but you need a replacement, so many examples of sackings that...

I havn't got a specific personal preference but as I said anyone anyway anyone naming theirs is utterly pointless. We have no idea of the availability of managers and who the owners would wish to work with. There are however hundreds of managers out there who are better than Pardew and the odds suggest that at least 1 of them would be willing to come here.

[Tooj]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

Your definition of utter shit obviously differs from mine.

Did you watch us in 99/00 and 00/01?? We were rank.

I did aye and we were nowhere near as rank as we are now.

[ujpest doza]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter shit for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter shit for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

Your definition of utter shit obviously differs from mine.

Did you watch us in 99/00 and 00/01?? We were rank.

I did aye and we were nowhere near as rank as we are now.

I think we were.

[ToonMonty]

I find it amazing that some people still want to keep him and the only reasons they can come up with is stability or him being somebody else. 

 

They can't say keep him because he's tactically astute, they can't say keep him because we're good at anything as a football team, they can't say keep him because he improves any area of our play and they can't say keep him because he's improving our players.  Na, keep him because we need stability or keep him because he might be David Moyes.

 

Is that the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped I hear?

 

So who do we get? Names please, not a Pardew fan or hater to be honest, genuine question.  Which manager comes in does better and works within the framework setup by MA/DL?

Seriously cannot understand questions like this at all. As fans we have no idea how much Ashley is willing to fork out or who he is willing to work with so any names mentioned would just be a fans personal preference, which someone then turns around and says "we'll never get him"

 

If Ashley wanted to replace Pardew there are dozens of managers out there who could do a better job with our squad.

So who would be your personal preference? It's so easy to say sack this sack that but you need a replacement, so many examples of sackings that...

I havn't got a specific personal preference but as I said anyone anyway anyone naming theirs is utterly pointless. We have no idea of the availability of managers and who the owners would wish to work with. There are however hundreds of managers out there who are better than Pardew and the odds suggest that at least 1 of them would be willing to come here.

 

That's fair enough anyone but Pardew it is then, shame as it renders a discussion thread a bit redundant but...

[Mistle17]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter s*** for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter s*** for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

Your definition of utter s*** obviously differs from mine.

Did you watch us in 99/00 and 00/01?? We were rank.

I did aye and we were nowhere near as rank as we are now.

I think we were.

 

 

Ooooooh! Fight, fight!

[STM]

Sir Bob took two years to turn around a shit squad.

 

Pardew has a good squad and some fantastic players, most of which are failing.

[Hanshithispantz]

Nobody is my honest opinion and stability, along with a settled team free of injuries is what we need to be succesful and was why we did well last season.

 

In your honest opinion we can't get a batter manager, give your head a shake.  As for stability, it's bollocks, you don't get stability with a poor manager.  The managers who have stability didn't become good managers because of stability, they have stability because they are good managers.

Man United were utter shit under Ferguson for the first 4 years but they stuck by him and look where they are now.

 

The season began well with a 4–1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[49][50] Ferguson later described December 1989 as "the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game", as United ended the decade just outside the relegation zone

Alan Pardew isn't Alex Ferguson though ffs

 

I've said it before but where would Man U be if in some parallel universe instead of sticking with Alex Ferguson, they'd stuck with Alan Pardew? Not a chance they would be where they are now.

 

Why?

It's all fine margins. I remember them getting possed at home live on tv on New Years Day 1990 off QPR 4-1 and then fluking a win against Forest in the cup. They were equally lucky to win the fa cup later that season as well with palace being desperately unlucky to get taken to a replay off them.

Ah right then, Pardew with his awful brand of hoofball shite would have a dozen titles to his name as well as European honours taking the likes of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Cantona to Selhurst Park and parking the bus.

 

Honestly it's such a mental point, the footballing equivalent of "you can be whatever you want to be, son."

[Mick]

Man United were utter s*** under Ferguson for the first 4 years but they stuck by him and look where they are now.

 

The season began well with a 4–1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.[49][50] Ferguson later described December 1989 as "the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game", as United ended the decade just outside the relegation zone

 

Man U were utter shit under Ron Atkinson and when Ferguson was appointed, they were third bottom in the old first division and they appointed him because of his past record which was him winning 3 league titles, 5 domestic cup competitions and the UEFA cup.

 

He was the third horse in a two horse race and he won trophies on a regular basis, compare that to the Johnstone's Paint Trophy winners medal that our manager can fall back on. 

 

Stability didn't make him a good manager, he clearly was a good manager before joining Man U and that's why he was given time, he didn't become a good manager because he was given time.

[Wullie]

We should keep Obertan cos Gareth Bale wasn't doing well once upon a time.

 

Repeat ad nauseum for every player in history.  Alex Ferguson ffs. Simply the most ludicrous of arguments.

[PineBarrens]

I wasn't aware that Pardew had successfully broken the Old Firm's dominance of Scottish Football.

Relevance? Ferguson was utter s*** for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter s*** for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

 

That's received wisdom nonsense; Manchester Utd were runners up in his first full season in charge, mid-table for 2 seasons then finished 6th and won the FA cup. Before taking over at Old Trafford he won the Cup-winners cup and 3 titles in Scotland. Pardew's won nowt of note as a manger. This tired argument of sticking with managers doesn't wash either - several managerial changes have not not exactly harmed the likes of Chelsea or Spurs. It's the footballing equivalent of asking Oasis fans to stick by the band because Definitely Maybe was a good album.

 

 

[Wullie]

Coloccini had a shit season once.  Better give Williamson a new long deal.

[Mick]

Relevance? Ferguson was utter s*** for 4 years at Man Utd but they stuck with him and eventually reaped the rewards.

There's too much knee jerking on here.

We were utter s*** for 2 years under SBR until we signed Bellamy and Robert, should we have sacked him earlier than we did too??

 

You only seem to be able to see things in isolation.  Ferguson was a good manager who took over a shit team and the same goes for Bobby.

[LRD]

Sir Bob took two years to turn around a s*** squad.

 

Pardew has a good squad and some fantastic players, most of which are failing.

 

And when Bobby turned it around, the football was pure poetry.

 

Can we expect Pardew to even string words together?

[Hanshithispantz]

I find it amazing that some people still want to keep him and the only reasons they can come up with is stability or him being somebody else. 

 

They can't say keep him because he's tactically astute, they can't say keep him because we're good at anything as a football team, they can't say keep him because he improves any area of our play and they can't say keep him because he's improving our players.  Na, keep him because we need stability or keep him because he might be David Moyes.

 

Is that the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped I hear?

 

So who do we get? Names please, not a Pardew fan or hater to be honest, genuine question.  Which manager comes in does better and works within the framework setup by MA/DL?

Seriously cannot understand questions like this at all. As fans we have no idea how much Ashley is willing to fork out or who he is willing to work with so any names mentioned would just be a fans personal preference, which someone then turns around and says "we'll never get him"

 

If Ashley wanted to replace Pardew there are dozens of managers out there who could do a better job with our squad.

So who would be your personal preference? It's so easy to say sack this sack that but you need a replacement, so many examples of sackings that...

I havn't got a specific personal preference but as I said anyone anyway anyone naming theirs is utterly pointless. We have no idea of the availability of managers and who the owners would wish to work with. There are however hundreds of managers out there who are better than Pardew and the odds suggest that at least 1 of them would be willing to come here.

 

That's fair enough anyone but Pardew it is then, shame as it renders a discussion thread a bit redundant but...

aye I said that like

[Guest bimpy474]

People still backing Pardew, probably on the OJ jury tbh. How much evidence does one need.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Sick to the back teeth of Pardew apologists on here.  He's done absolutely nothing that makes me think he'll turn it around.  He has f*** all idea.

 

• Our corners and set pieces are s***.  Yet we still persist with the same technique
  
• He's openly stated that the foundation of our pre-match prep is to nullify the opposition.  However we're filled with players that want to attack.  Play to your strengths?
  
• This is also blindingly obvious when we go forward.  One player has the ball while all others stand their with their thumb up their arse looking utterly clueless about where to run and what support to offer
  
• He has this awful love for players that can "graft" for 90 minutes.  Jonas might be able to run for 90 minutes, Perch might be able to "get a tackle in" but your left winger and your centre mid should be looking to supply the forward line.  So f***ing negative.
  
• His handling of injuries is atrocious.  Ultimately the buck stops with him as to whether or not a player plays.  Too many times we've rushed players back from injury this season.  Yet he tries to wrangle this into an excuse

 

the biggest one of all:

 

• He spoke about being hopeful of Marveaux of Ben Arfa "coming up with a bit of magic".  For f***s sake man, what?  Telling someone in Row A that they were thinking of the 9 of spades?!  "Magic" ffs.  In other words "I hope we keep it to a tight 0-0 and one of the two attacking players I'm allowing on the pitch pulls something out of their arse"
  

[Hanshithispantz]

We should keep Obertan cos Gareth Bale wasn't doing well once upon a time.

 

Repeat ad nauseum for every player in history.  Alex Ferguson ffs. Simply the most ludicrous of arguments.

It's offensively bad like.

 

I know Ian likes to moan on about this thread and how people are attacked but is it any fucking wonder?

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Sick to the back teeth of Pardew apologists on here.  He's done absolutely nothing that makes me think he'll turn it around.  He has fuck all idea.

 

• Our corners and set pieces are shit.  Yet we still persist with the same technique
  
• He's openly stated that the foundation of our pre-match prep is to nullify the opposition.  However we're filled with players that want to attack.  Play to your strengths?
  
• This is also blindingly obvious when we go forward.  One player has the ball while all others stand their with their thumb up their arse looking utterly clueless about where to run and what support to offer
  
• He has this awful love for players that can "graft" for 90 minutes.  Jonas might be able to run for 90 minutes, Perch might be able to "get a taclke in" but your left winger and your centre mid should be looking to supply the forward line.  So fucking negative.
  
• His handling of injuries is atrocious.  Ultimately the buck stops with him as to whether or not a player plays.  Too many times we've rushed players back from injury this season.  Yet he tries to wrangle this into an excuse
  

 

[Mick]

Sick to the back teeth of Pardew apologists on here.  He's done absolutely nothing that makes me think he'll turn it around.  He has f*** all idea.

 

• Our corners and set pieces are s***.  Yet we still persist with the same technique
  
• He's openly stated that the foundation of our pre-match prep is to nullify the opposition.  However we're filled with players that want to attack.  Play to your strengths?
  
• This is also blindingly obvious when we go forward.  One player has the ball while all others stand their with their thumb up their arse looking utterly clueless about where to run and what support to offer
  
• He has this awful love for players that can "graft" for 90 minutes.  Jonas might be able to run for 90 minutes, Perch might be able to "get a taclke in" but your left winger and your centre mid should be looking to supply the forward line.  So f***ing negative.
  
• His handling of injuries is atrocious.  Ultimately the buck stops with him as to whether or not a player plays.  Too many times we've rushed players back from injury this season.  Yet he tries to wrangle this into an excuse
  

 

Good post, I also like the formatting.  That must be the tidiest post I've ever seen on here.