Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Not having a go at either of you but it's just basically speculation based on a hunch. Not sure how anyone knows anything about the dynamic of the Ashley / Llambias relationship and therefore which one is a bigger Pardew fan than the other. Pardew managed West Ham, Llambias had a box at West Ham, see a connection? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Interesting that Hislop used a phrase there that quite a few of our players and coaching staff have used whilst he's been here - "hitting the front players early" He's a master of spin - it's just another way of saying Wimbledon circa 1992. There's still people on here who don't think he plays the long ball, that just boggles my mind. It's only because of Wilo and Simpson we play long balls man, remember? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 It's only because of Wilo and Simpson we play long balls man, remember? I'm sure our results will pick up once we have replaced them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 If they are thinking of giving him a limited number of games into next season then he's got to go at the end of this one. If we give him 10 games and decide to replace him we'll be looking for another Pardew or Souness to come in. We'll be looking for managers who are our of work or are about to get the sack. The best thing the club can do it get this season over and dump him and move on. That's my view as well, I just don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and risk sabotaging another season. Players who are at important stages of their career don't have time to piss about while Pardew experiments with coaches, they will want to hit the ground running next season. I still think the next 4 games are massively important in Pardew's future. If we show some fight and cohesion he might get another crack. If we limp over the line and come close to getting relegated then he surely has to go. The fact we are still worrying about this with only 4 games left is a massive indictment in itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I'm encouraged by the emergence of journalists doubting Pardew. I don't think he'll get sacked yet but.....it's a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I reckon, and its only my own personal twist on things, that DL would be more than happy to keep Pardew but Ashley himself having invested all that money in January, will not be happy with how things have panned out since January, especially the embarrassing defeat to the mackems. A defeat that could yet well seal Pardew's fate. I could well imagine Ashley thinking we should be doing better with the players we have, while DL plays the stability card. Both are chancers, as is the manager of course, so it really is all up in the air so to speak as to what can, could and maybe even will happen once the season ends. My own personal belief is that Pardew will survive but his cards are marked and the first 10 or so games of next season will determine whether he stays or goes long-term. The investment in January was Ashley's showing his concern that we would be relegated and also showing his hand that for Pardew at least, there can now be no more excuses. We now have a very good squad compared to what we started this season with and should have kicked on massively January onwards but today we still stare relegation in the face. Llambias is the key man in all of this IMO. Especially for Pardew. One of the best posts in here. Not having a go at either of you but it's just basically speculation based on a hunch. Not sure how anyone knows anything about the dynamic of the Ashley / Llambias relationship and therefore which one is a bigger Pardew fan than the other. I just can't see him being sacked once the season ends. DL for me has Ashley's ear if you like. I know for a fact he (DL) and Pardew socialise and are good friends. Ashley and DL are also friends but not in the same way Pardew and DL are from my own understanding. It was DL who suggested Pardew to Ashley who from everything I have heard about the man, is happy to let others he deems more knowledgeable about the game than he, make key decisions or at least have a major input. So long as he doesn't lose money. We are basically relying on DL seeing the light if you like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 That's my view as well, I just don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and risk sabotaging another season. Players who are at important stages of their career don't have time to p*ss about while Pardew experiments with coaches, they will want to hit the ground running next season. I still think the next 4 games are massively important in Pardew's future. If we show some fight and cohesion he might get another crack. If we limp over the line and come close to getting relegated then he surely has to go. The fact we are still worrying about this with only 4 games left is a massive indictment in itself. People who think Ashley will allow Pardew the opportunity to cost him £millions are living on another planet. He might personally like Pardew but I can't see him settling for us struggling above relegation when he has so much at stake financially. Ashley was quite happy to p*ss off the entire support base with his treatment of Keegan and he was happy to take the same risk with Shearer, Pardew would be much easier for him to bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Interesting that Hislop used a phrase there that quite a few of our players and coaching staff have used whilst he's been here - "hitting the front players early" He's a master of spin - it's just another way of saying Wimbledon circa 1992. There's still people on here who don't think he plays the long ball, that just boggles my mind. !00%. Robson even says in that interview "conman" will tell you his team are playing great football when they aren't. I know we've got the benefit of hindsight, but it's insane how spot on his comments are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I just can't see him being sacked once the season ends. DL for me has Ashley's ear if you like. I know for a fact he (DL) and Pardew socialise and are good friends. Ashley and DL are also friends but not in the same way Pardew and DL are from my own understanding. It was DL who suggested Pardew to Ashley who from everything I have heard about the man, is happy to let others he deems more knowledgeable about the game than he, make key decisions or at least have a major input. So long as he doesn't lose money. We are basically relying on DL seeing the light if you like Ashley and Llambias are really close, you shouldn't doubt that and Llambias was the first choice as Chairman until the City of London Police turned up at the club and we ended up bringing in a lawyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I hate Stewart Robson and consider him a f*cking moron. However he nailed it in those comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 It's just like Brummie with his MON comments. Managers don't change their ways - if they fail, they stubbornly try their methods somewhere else. Very few evolve but those that do become the best in the world. Pardew will never be that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 That's my view as well, I just don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and risk sabotaging another season. Players who are at important stages of their career don't have time to p*ss about while Pardew experiments with coaches, they will want to hit the ground running next season. I still think the next 4 games are massively important in Pardew's future. If we show some fight and cohesion he might get another crack. If we limp over the line and come close to getting relegated then he surely has to go. The fact we are still worrying about this with only 4 games left is a massive indictment in itself. People who think Ashley will allow Pardew the opportunity to cost him £millions are living on another planet. He might personally like Pardew but I can't see him settling for us struggling above relegation when he has so much at stake financially. Ashley was quite happy to p*ss off the entire support base with his treatment of Keegan and he was happy to take the same risk with Shearer, Pardew would be much easier for him to bin. That's the one crumb of comfort that I hold onto. Ashley didn't even afford Alan Shearer, a man he deemed as someone worthy of employing to keep us up, the courtesy of a phone call never mind anything else, to say look Al, thanks for all your efforts, but we have different ideas. Shearer got fuck all And on that note... I cannot and never will accept Ashley and co as owner/custodians of our club. To treat someone like Alan Shearer with such contempt is deplorable. I cannot fucking wait for the day these cunts fuck off from our club. Because we will never ever get anywhere with them in control. I'd happily trade 10 years of Pardew if it meant Ashley and DL getting out of Toon if you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I just can't see him being sacked once the season ends. DL for me has Ashley's ear if you like. I know for a fact he (DL) and Pardew socialise and are good friends. Ashley and DL are also friends but not in the same way Pardew and DL are from my own understanding. It was DL who suggested Pardew to Ashley who from everything I have heard about the man, is happy to let others he deems more knowledgeable about the game than he, make key decisions or at least have a major input. So long as he doesn't lose money. We are basically relying on DL seeing the light if you like Ashley and Llambias are really close, you shouldn't doubt that and Llambias was the first choice as Chairman until the City of London Police turned up at the club and we ended up bringing in a lawyer. All I know is that DL goes out for meals with Pardew on a regular basis. He rarely spends time with Ashley outside of matches. They are mates of course but not as pally as Pardew and DL are. Of course, being the snake he is, DL will do whatever he has to to keep his cushy number... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 RE Pardew, everything a WH supporting client of ours said about Pardew is becoming Brummie-esque RE MON true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 RE Pardew, everything a WH supporting client of ours said about Pardew is becoming Brummie-esque RE MON true. Any expansion on that? I can't be arsed to look but not long after he was appointed I posted what said client had to say about him. HE tellingly said Pardew would eventually piss everyone off with his bullshit. Our client basically said he was a fraud and someone who would divide everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 That's my view as well, I just don't think we can afford to sit on our hands and risk sabotaging another season. Players who are at important stages of their career don't have time to p*ss about while Pardew experiments with coaches, they will want to hit the ground running next season. I still think the next 4 games are massively important in Pardew's future. If we show some fight and cohesion he might get another crack. If we limp over the line and come close to getting relegated then he surely has to go. The fact we are still worrying about this with only 4 games left is a massive indictment in itself. People who think Ashley will allow Pardew the opportunity to cost him £millions are living on another planet. He might personally like Pardew but I can't see him settling for us struggling above relegation when he has so much at stake financially. Ashley was quite happy to p*ss off the entire support base with his treatment of Keegan and he was happy to take the same risk with Shearer, Pardew would be much easier for him to bin. Llambias is the equivalent of Smithers to Mr Burns. Ashley might appreciate his bum-crawling antics, but when it starts costing him big money like this season has, I doubt he'll really give a shit about Dekka's opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=2052 - written whilst he was managing West Ham in the second tier. Quite a lot of salient points in there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=2052 - written whilst he was managing West Ham in the second tier. Quite a lot of salient points in there too. That is absolutely chilling to read. Even worse when you consider it was at a lower level and his tactical acumen was being questioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=2052 - written whilst he was managing West Ham in the second tier. Quite a lot of salient points in there too. Swap the name WHU for NUFC and that could well be any one of us talking about, well, us. He is a very poor manager, way out of his depth and will never amount to anything. In fact I will stick my neck on the line here and now and say finishing 5th with NUFC will be his career high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=2052 - written whilst he was managing West Ham in the second tier. Quite a lot of salient points in there too. Change West Ham to Newcastle and it's us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Our WHU client from poor memory... Heavy defeats home and away against 'lesser' sides Long ball football Stupid substitutions Baffling tactics and team selections Excuses after excuses Players p*ssed off Fans p*ssed off Media p*ssed off Boardroom p*ssed off Only the latter to happen? I'll never forget our client laughing when I asked him for his thoughts on Pardew. Bear in mind Pardew took them up, consolidated them and took them to an FA Cup final. Yet to our client, a life long hammers fan, he was nothing short of a s***. It says it all when said client refers to Big Sam as someone we were foolish to get rid of and someone he believes is good for WHU... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 That KUMB article is tragic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 useles ,useless, he should stop praising other teams and get his own team in order my god he irritates me with his team selections and substitutions ,he would love 2 av 11 lloyd sams they could all get tired together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Nor does Pardew appear to plan. The recent home loss to Preston was a disaster for Pardew’s team. This was probably the turning point of the whole season. So much depended on that one game – a six pointer. It was preceded by an uninterrupted week – no internationals or cup games to distract attention. Pardew should have approached the game like a cup final. Preparation should have been planned all week long and the players should have studied Preston’s strengths and weaknesses and been totally focused. A game plan should have been worked on all week in training so that by Saturday everyone should have been totally up for it. Instead we saw a gutless lack lustre performance where an aimless team drifted through such an important game without really raising a stir. That pathetic performance, and subsequent result, was all down to poor preparation. Clearly the manager is to blame. Read more at http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=2052#74bfxTyX7XBAS1w8.99 Sound familiar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 useles ,useless, he should stop praising other teams and get his own team in order my god he irritates me with his team selections and substitutions ,he would love 2 av 11 lloyd sams they could all get tired together. FFS. He really has just done the same thing at every club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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