littlelunchbox Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Some players are repeatedly letting him down in fairness. When are you going to crawl out of his arse? I think I've been very fair tbh. He needs to take responsibility for the poor performances but players like Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote have all been poor this season. There's no real argument against that. That's because they're footballers and need a side set up to play football. How good do you think Rooney or Nani would look if Man sat back and whacked the ball long rather than push forward and play passing football? Obviously our style has never been particularly attractive, but it's the same tactics as last year and questions do have to be asked why the players are suddenly playing like s***. Our style was awful last season as well until the second half of the season where we stumbled onto a winning formula. Pardew knows how to set teams up defensively and that's his limit. After that, how to get the ball from defence to attack is purely down to the players to work out on the day by the look of it. actually thats down to John Carver, he mentioned it in a interview, Pards does the defensive organization for a few days then Carver himself take over and organize how to break the opposition down. you got to think, why is the manager himself not competent to do both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If things don't change fast we'll be heading for a mid table finish, which will leave us vulnerable next summer when it comes to keeping our best players. Next weekend is a massive game, anything less than a win and we're fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's pointless discussing the eight-year-contract, it has no baring on anything. The reasons for why that was done were totally sensible and justified. Really? The only top flight manager I can remember getting such a long contract in 20 years and it's totally sensible? Do agree there's little point in dwelling on it, but it was a strange call and that can't be questioned. Don't underrate stability. Aye, that'll be why Man Utd, Arsenal and Everton give their manager 8 year contracts. It was a strange decision which might end up having the opposite effect than that intended. You 100% don't need to give your manager an 8 year contract to aid stability. Howay don't get sarcy. I just think it's a pointless discussion and far too early to be calling it a bad decision. Aye we're playing shite, but today is the first truly shit result in the season, and we've seen clear evidence of Pardew changing things. His philosophy so far this season is wrong but it's irksome when people are labelling him one-dimensional and 'not going to change'; because he has done as recently as earlier this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's pointless discussing the eight-year-contract, it has no baring on anything. The reasons for why that was done were totally sensible and justified. Really? The only top flight manager I can remember getting such a long contract in 20 years and it's totally sensible? Do agree there's little point in dwelling on it, but it was a strange call and that can't be questioned. Don't underrate stability. Aye, that'll be why Man Utd, Arsenal and Everton give their manager 8 year contracts. It was a strange decision which might end up having the opposite effect than that intended. You 100% don't need to give your manager an 8 year contract to aid stability. Howay don't get sarcy. I just think it's a pointless discussion and far too early to be calling it a bad decision. Aye we're playing s****, but today is the first truly s*** result in the season, and we've seen clear evidence of Pardew changing things. His philosophy so far this season is wrong but it's irksome when people are labelling him one-dimensional and 'not going to change'; because he has done as recently as earlier this year. Aye. As said in the match thread, our s*** shows have really been buried under decent results. This hopefully hits us like cold water to the face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Seriously, Pardew is a defend 1st manager, and is suited to the traditional English game with long balls and crosses. When we were flying last season , i kept implying we play "Hoof and Cross Pardew" footy. The Stats still add up, we dont score many goals by opening up teams or many other type of goals. Our attacking variation is ridiculously little and as many have started to pick up on we have no style at all. Well he is here to stay, just hope he employs a second man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's pointless discussing the eight-year-contract, it has no baring on anything. The reasons for why that was done were totally sensible and justified. Really? The only top flight manager I can remember getting such a long contract in 20 years and it's totally sensible? Do agree there's little point in dwelling on it, but it was a strange call and that can't be questioned. Don't underrate stability. Aye, that'll be why Man Utd, Arsenal and Everton give their manager 8 year contracts. It was a strange decision which might end up having the opposite effect than that intended. You 100% don't need to give your manager an 8 year contract to aid stability. Howay don't get sarcy. I just think it's a pointless discussion and far too early to be calling it a bad decision. Aye we're playing s****, but today is the first truly s*** result in the season, and we've seen clear evidence of Pardew changing things. His philosophy so far this season is wrong but it's irksome when people are labelling him one-dimensional and 'not going to change'; because he has done as recently as earlier this year. Aye. As said in the match thread, our s*** shows have really been buried under decent results. This hopefully hits us like cold water to the face. Aye, the results have papered over the cracks of performances that haven't been good enough. Hopefully this, as you say, will enforce the belief in the dressing room (and manager's office) that we are not playing well enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I cant wait for the day that this absolute clown leaves us. He's a terrible excuse for a manager. He brings an absolutely disgusting brand of football to this club. Give him till the end of the season and he can go fuck himself. Oh, wait, he's on an 8 year contract isn't he? Not going to happen. Unfortunately Mr. Ashley, your blind-hopefully stabs at success only last so long. Pardew actually made Fat Sam look good today. I'm sick of this bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I cant wait for the day that this absolute clown leaves us. He's a terrible excuse for a manager. He brings an absolutely disgusting brand of football to this club. Give him till the end of the season and he can go fuck himself. Oh, wait, he's on an 8 year contract isn't he? Not going to happen. Unfortunately Mr. Ashley, your blind-hopefully stabs at success only last so long. Pardew actually made Fat Sam look good today. I'm sick of this bullshit. For Gods sake shut up. Did last year not earn the bloke any sort of credit. It's been a shitty hangover esque season so far but there's no real justification for that bile after he took a recently promoted side to one game from the Chmpionship League places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If you need to have a "muscle" player up front then you're doing something seriously wrong IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You go backwards when you don't improve your team, we didn't improve ours and this is a consequence of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Very interested in what he has to say about that nonsense today like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Some players are repeatedly letting him down in fairness. When are you going to crawl out of his arse? I think I've been very fair tbh. He needs to take responsibility for the poor performances but players like Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote have all been poor this season. There's no real argument against that. That's because they're footballers and need a side set up to play football. How good do you think Rooney or Nani would look if Man sat back and whacked the ball long rather than push forward and play passing football? Obviously our style has never been particularly attractive, but it's the same tactics as last year and questions do have to be asked why the players are suddenly playing like s***. Our style was awful last season as well until the second half of the season where we stumbled onto a winning formula. Pardew knows how to set teams up defensively and that's his limit. After that, how to get the ball from defence to attack is purely down to the players to work out on the day by the look of it. actually thats down to John Carver, he mentioned it in a interview, Pards does the defensive organization for a few days then Carver himself take over and organize how to break the opposition down. you got to think, why is the manager himself not competent to do both? No wonder we look confused. I'm not sure if that's true, but the way we play with no interaction between the defense and forwards makes you think it might be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder what shit he's going to come out with tonight? He hasn't got a clue at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If you need to have a "muscle" player up front then you're doing something seriously wrong IMO. Yeah perhaps, I just think Best was a good foil for Ba in a way that Cisse just isn't. The only way the two seem to function together is if Ba goes wide but then we risk him taking the huff and buggering off in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You go backwards when you don't improve your team, we didn't improve ours and this is a consequence of that. No excuse for his piss poor tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He earnt goodwill from last year but at what point does that become dwelling on the past? Truth is, right now we're going backwards and consistently playing terribly. He's not learning from mistakes and I'm worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder what s*** he's going to come out with tonight? He hasn't got a clue at the minute. Guy on another forum who edits highlight packages: Just listened to the Pardew interview. Bullet points - Didn't blame the Europa League game. Said it had nothing to do with it - Said it was difficult to deal with West Ham's style of play - We needed a break and didn't get one - We had a lot of players 'carrying knocks'. Twice mentioned losing Colo and Tiote - Said we haven't been able to field our strongest XI once this season because of injuries etc No difficult questions at all. Smiling his way through it. Wasn't angry. Said Swansea is a big game coming up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He's not even that good looking, man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 You go backwards when you don't improve your team, we didn't improve ours and this is a consequence of that. Yep said that since the summer. Pardew isn't helping himself at the minute but his overloads shat in his lap in the summer by failing to release funds for vital positions. Can't help but feel what have been if we'd added Carroll and Debuchy instead of another central midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Otter this has been coming since last year though. The concerns that were being screamed for most of last season are the ones that are the problem at the moment. I cannot believe anyone thinks this hasn't been coming. Last season was great in terms of results but nobody can tell me we were a really good side or that we didn't churn out some very rotten performances. Functional and clinical is about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I cant wait for the day that this absolute clown leaves us. He's a terrible excuse for a manager. He brings an absolutely disgusting brand of football to this club. Give him till the end of the season and he can go f*** himself. Oh, wait, he's on an 8 year contract isn't he? Not going to happen. Unfortunately Mr. Ashley, your blind-hopefully stabs at success only last so long. Pardew actually made Fat Sam look good today. I'm sick of this bullshit. For Gods sake shut up. Did last year not earn the bloke any sort of credit. It's been a shitty hangover esque season so far but there's no real justification for that bile after he took a recently promoted side to one game from the Chmpionship League places. Oh get a grip man, for god sake. I'm quite surprised you don't agree, considering you're one of the most negative people on this board! Oh wow, LAST SEASON we managed to wriggle our way into the top 5. Yeah, that was great I agree. But we did it playing shit football for 3/4's of the season and its carried over into this season and gotten worse. It's not a shitty hangover ffs. ALL SEASON we've been limping through games, I haven't seen us play one convincing game this season or where we've even attempted to play good football. We cling on and hoof the ball into the box and try and poke away the scraps. That's it, that's all we do. And that's all because of Pardew. He's had long enough to implicate his own theories and style of play, which, if he has, are abysmal. He's winging this. Don't give me that 'but last season we were brilliant' crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Otter this has been coming since last year though. The concerns that were being screamed for most of last season are the ones that are the problem at the moment. I cannot believe anyone thinks this hasn't been coming. Last season was great in terms of results but nobody can tell me we were a really good side or that we didn't churn out some very rotten performances. Functional and clinical is about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Very interested in what he has to say about that nonsense today like. - Thought we had some good chances, if we took one we could have won. - Mention the possible penalty. - Mention the ball over the line incident. - Mention how good Nolan is at scoring goals. - Such a shame that we lost Jonas. - On another day we could have won. - Rebuild and look to a tough game next weekend. It'll be along those lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He seems to have done barely anything to address obvious failings in the team. Can't understand him at all atm, the team spirit from last season has gone as well as any tactical nous. He was always bit of a conservative manager but we still seem to have regressed significantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Worryingly, didn't a load of West Ham and Charlton fans predict this? Great start, but within a season or two there will be questionable tactics and decisions and the results will drop off. Plenty said he's a one trick pony, I just wrote it off as bitterness on their part TBH. But it has to be said, their analysis looks to be pretty accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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