Mole_Toonfan Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 [ We just bought France's first choice right back? In what sense are we not competing in the marketplace? If you mean we're not splashing the same cash as clubs in stronger positions than us, not paying whatever it takes to get our targets, then you do not want the best for the club and you should consider lobbying for the return of effing Freddie Shepherd f*** off Derek, Arsenal have Frances first choice right back. Not anymore Debuchy has been first choice ever since June and remained first choice even since Sagna came back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/10/alan-pardew-warns-newcastle Alan Pardew warns Newcastle's young players they must work harder • Newcastle manager had hoped for more from fringe players • 'They have not produced what I want them to produce' Louise Taylor The Guardian, Thursday 10 January 2013 22.00 GMT Alan Pardew has warned some of his younger players that they need to shape up or face being shipped out this summer. After an awful run of nine defeats in the past 11 Premier League games, Newcastle United's manager has been questioning himself and his methods and now acknowledges he has possibly placed too much faith in the club's youngsters. Although he could not have forecast the debilitating series of injuries which have all but ruined Newcastle's season, Pardew had hoped for much more from first-team fringe players including Sammy Ameobi, Shane Ferguson, James Tavernier, Romain Amalfitano and Mehdi Abeid. "The younger players have not produced what I want them to produce," conceded Pardew whose side travel to Carrow Road to meet a Norwich City team managed by his predecessor Chris Hughton on Saturday. "They're going to have to work harder or they are going to have to leave this football club. "With one or two, the work ethic needs to improve. It's very important they work hard and try to improve. I've tried to kick a couple up the bum in terms of the responsibility they have here. I can't even begin to explain the frustration. The trust we built up with the fans last season has started to erode away and we need to repair that. It's been very frustrating." Under Mike Ashley's cost-conscious ownership, Newcastle have a policy of not signing professionals over the age of 26 other than in exceptional circumstances and believe that the majority of first XI cover players should be 21 and under. Now, though, they arguably have reason to regret offloading experienced, effective second-stringers such as Leon Best and Peter Lovenkrands at the end of last season. "We're going to have some tough decisions in the summer," said Pardew, potentially the principal victim of the club's bold youth philosophy. "We've got 17 league games and at least two in the Europa League to go and I'll need a lot of questions answered about what I think is under the first team here. At the moment, what's been underneath hasn't produced as I hoped it would." Along the way one of football's more self-confident characters has succumbed to a few inner doubts. "You lose confidence in terms of faith in what you're doing to some degree, but you have to stay strong," said Pardew whose severely under-strength side were knocked out of the FA Cup at Brighton on Saturday. The manager is keen to show he is striving to put things right. "I keep a record of everything I do, every single training session is logged and I look back at my diaries to see exactly what we were doing when things were going well," he said. He is preparing for the Norwich game by chatting individually to players and providing them with personalised presentations including DVD analysis of their strengths and weaknesses, highlighting ways in which they can do better. While Davide Santon, who has been excellent overall this season but succumbed to tiredness against Brighton, has received a supportive arm around the shoulder, others have heard harsh words. "I do worry about putting too much information into the players, though," said Newcastle's manager whose board continues to pursue a number of transfer targets as it seeks to sign a striker to replace Demba Ba and defensive reinforcements this month. "We need to show desire on the pitch but we don't want to push players over the edge." Although the hamstrung Hatem Ben Arfa, Newcastle's most gifted individual, is undergoing rehabilitation in Clairefontaine and will not reappear until next month, Pardew hopes the imminent return of his playmaker Yohan Cabaye – who should be on the bench at Norwich – will raise morale. Meanwhile Cabaye's France international team-mate, Mathieu Débuchy should make his debut on Saturday. Much is expected from the right-back newly arrived from Lille but Pardew counsels caution. "Débuchy will get a shock," he warned. "He needs to get the speed of the Premier League. If you're a right-back in France you can pass it back to the centre-back and read a book and still make a pass. You can't do that in England." So he's been looking at himself to see where he's gone wrong and the only thing he could come up with is that our younger players might not be good enough. Aye, right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Young players with pretty much no first team experience thrown in to a struggling team with no real identity don't perform well. Well fuck me, I'd never have thought that would happen. How dare these cunts not perform miracles, what a load of fucking shite. The 5 mentioned (espec. Abeid since he's been nowhere near the first team most of the time anyway), maybe aside from Amalfitano since he isn't 'young' shouldn't have been at the club anyway, all should be cutting their teeth in the Championship ironing out their mistakes so they don't make them so often playing for us. It isn't just Pardew either, I can't remember our development of youth ever being anything other than hoy them in, do you sink or swim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Young players with pretty much no first team experience thrown in to a struggling team with no real identity don't perform well. Well f*** me, I'd never have thought that would happen. How dare these c***s not perform miracles, what a load of f***ing s****. He's such an arrogant prick that it's never going to be him at fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 He obviously 'questioned himself and his methods' in private because he's done nowt but slag the kids off in that piece. "I've had to play the kids and they've been shit. Not guilty gavnar." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Silly, silly comments. Gone well over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If anywhere near the truth with those quotes the guy is a slimy prick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 New level of douchebaggery, that. Unlike his usual off-the-cuff comments which you'd be advised to take with a a hefty pinch of salt, that actually seemed fairly considered. This prat needs to get out of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 His only tough decision will be over his own future, because I can't see there being a sea-change in the club's philosophy nor are they going to buy him a new set of reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 tbf what he says about the kids could be as much about their overall development, what he sees in training etc as much as what we've seen at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Reaction to this is funny as a lot on here are constantly slagging off the likes of Sammy Ameobi et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yeah but the manager shouldn't be doing it. His senior players have been mostly shit aswell this year which is down to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Reaction to this is funny as a lot on here are constantly slagging off the likes of Sammy Ameobi et al. He appears to blame them for our current situation instead of looking at what he could have done better which is slightly different to somebody on here slagging them off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yeah but the manager shouldn't be doing it. His senior players have been mostly shit aswell this year which is down to him. Absolutely. Those quotes are fucking desperate man, really worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Inadvertantly explained exactly why Debuchy should have been in during the summer there btw. We've fucked about with Simpson losing us points and now need to hope Debuchy picks it up as quickly as possible in the middle of a relegation scrap with the rest of the side low on confidence. What a gonk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Reaction to this is funny as a lot on here are constantly slagging off the likes of Sammy Ameobi et al. He appears to blame them for our current situation instead of looking at what he could have done better which is slightly different to somebody on here slagging them off. I'm not necessarily sure that's the case, he's obviously not very happy with the attitudes of one or two of them and is using this as means of trying to get that message across. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I personally just think most of them are a shower of nothing. Sammy's attitude is wrong, the rest mostly seem OK in terms of effort when they've had chances. I agree. None ,except Vuckic, right now REALLY excite me when they come on. Still have hopes for Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 He's like the Mouth of Sauron, we need an Aragorn to chop his head off to stop the constant stream of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Surely he's trying to put a marker down that big improvements are required and nobody's "safe". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not necessarily sure that's the case, he's obviously not very happy with the attitudes of one or two of them and is using this as means of trying to get that message across. Newcastle United's manager has been questioning himself and his methods and now acknowledges he has possibly placed too much faith in the club's youngsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Surely he's trying to put a marker down that big improvements are required and nobody's "safe". Why isn't he telling that to the first team players who have let him down, rather than a bunch of kids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Talking a seriously good game now is Pardew, wants to hope of even a semblance of a performance on saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Young players with pretty much no first team experience thrown in to a struggling team with no real identity don't perform well. Well fuck me, I'd never have thought that would happen. How dare these cunts not perform miracles, what a load of fucking shite. The 5 mentioned (espec. Abeid since he's been nowhere near the first team most of the time anyway), maybe aside from Amalfitano since he isn't 'young' shouldn't have been at the club anyway, all should be cutting their teeth in the Championship ironing out their mistakes so they don't make them so often playing for us. It isn't just Pardew either, I can't remember our development of youth ever being anything other than hoy them in, do you sink or swim? Exactly. You don't see other teams throwing in all their youngsters and saying perform or get out. Whatever happened to 'nurturing' talent ffs? The guy is a clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm not necessarily sure that's the case, he's obviously not very happy with the attitudes of one or two of them and is using this as means of trying to get that message across. Newcastle United's manager has been questioning himself and his methods and now acknowledges he has possibly placed too much faith in the club's youngsters. Ignore the bollocks from Louise Taylor and take the quotes at face value, that isn't what he said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Nowt wrong with AP's comments... Up to the players to prove him wrong... Just don't think the majority of them have it in them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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