mrmojorisin75 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 now mick, let's not let reality get in the way of a good supporting argument for pardiola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 He was within a whisker of taking a team who had a strike force of Ameobi, Lovenkrands, Best, Ranger & Kuqi to a top 10 finish (I know Hughton started the good work that season but he had Carroll), and then got us top 6 in his first full season. He's been crap this season, I just think he deserves a bit of a chance to put it right. We look like we could be closer to relegation with a team that has included Krul, Debuchy, Mbiwa, Santon, Cabaye, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Coloccini, Anita, Cisse, Goufran, Ba, Marveaux and Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 A few of which have looked like players not fit for this league this season. Others have barely played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 A few of which have looked like players not fit for this league this season. Others have barely played. So much for his managerial ability, is that supposed to make him look better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Yes, we're overrating our trophy winning international players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I totally understand Stu's point btw, about creating an image of stability for the club. I just think having a manager that makes the team more than the sum of its parts and who can get results when things are against the club is where you go first and foremost, and everything else comes secondary to that. After over 2 years I personally think it's fair to say we haven't got that, and we need to find it. I realise that last season he did really good things with Raylor and Perch for example, so it could be argued that he raises the level of individual players, but I don't think he raises the team performance at all, in fact I think he's counter productive in this area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Yes, we're overrating our trophy winning international players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 A few of which have looked like players not fit for this league this season. Others have barely played. So much for his managerial ability, is that supposed to make him look better? Generally players need to be on the pitch and able in order to make a contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Yes, we're overrating our trophy winning international players. Please. Nicky Butt was a trophy winning international. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Yes, we're overrating our trophy winning international players. Please. Nicky Butt was a trophy winning international. So was Geremi and Alan Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I think quite a few are really overrating out squad tbh. Yes, we're overrating our trophy winning international players. Please. Nicky Butt was a trophy winning international. Don't be daft, Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Who are our trophy winning internationals, anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Who are our trophy winning internationals, anyway? Cabaye Debuchy Tiote Anita Coloccini Santon It's a pathetic excuse for trying to justify a view point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Generally players need to be on the pitch and able in order to make a contribution. We usually have 11 players on the pitch at any given time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Who are our trophy winning internationals, anyway? We've got plenty of international/class players. Highly rated, not just by us, but people looking from a neutral view. Wasn't especially on about the trophy winning stuff, but to suggest we're overrating our players - not having it, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Generally players need to be on the pitch and able in order to make a contribution. We usually have 11 players on the pitch at any given time. And when James perch has played 3 times the amount of games that Sissoko has your list doesn't quite look as pertinent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Who are our trophy winning internationals, anyway? Cabaye, Debuchy, Ben Arfa, Santon and Tiote have all won trophies and are internationals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 And when James perch has played 3 times the amount of games that Sissoko has your list doesn't quite look as pertinent. Aye, I forgot that we've been shit because we've been forced to play James Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Cabaye Debuchy Tiote Anita Coloccini Santon It's a pathetic excuse for trying to justify a view point. Of course it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Who are our trophy winning internationals, anyway? We've got plenty of international/class players. Highly rated, not just by us, but people looking from a neutral view. Wasn't especially on about the trophy winning stuff, but to suggest we're overrating our players - not having it, like. Just look at Mick's post, man. Some of those players only signed 8 league games ago - 4 of which we won. Ben Arfa's been missing for most of the season and players like Anita, Tiote and Colo have been poor by any team's standards. The squad's still a work in progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Benfica looked a class above us at times. Squad wise we are a long way from SBR's team IMO. Including the one Souness started with. I'm not sure how much of that is due to Pardew. The man doesn't know anything about winning titles or European competitions. Or even just competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 We have 1 player in the team that has double digit amount of goals this season. Are people wondering why we are struggling so badly? No where enough goals from rest of the team. Cabaye is overrated by many on here as well. He's a good footballer but he does go missing in quite a few games imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 It's all well and good listing off our quality players but when a lot of them have missed nearly half the season it doesn't really look that great, they have started - Cabaye 18 games - 1 more games than Perch Tiote 17 games - The same amount of games as Perch Colocinni - 19 games - 2 more than Williamson Taylor 17 games - Same as Williamson Ben Arfa 13 games Krul 22 games Anita 17 games Marveaux 8 games Obviously they couldn't have played more since they only signed in January, however if you are including them in an argument of what we have done with this squad this season.. Games started - Debuchy 9 Gouffran 8 Sissoko 8 Yanga-Mbwia 4 Cisse 28 and Santon 30 are the only players who has had a consistent run in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 And when James perch has played 3 times the amount of games that Sissoko has your list doesn't quite look as pertinent. Aye, I forgot that we've been shit because we've been forced to play James Perch. We've won 4 out of 8 league games with Sissoko on the field and won 2 European ties yet you're using him as a reason we should be further from relegation. Doesn't make much sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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