Interpolic Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 To be honest, one of the only half decent sides we played against under Keegan, we went 3-0 up and whether it was the players or himself, we were naive and didn't see the 90 minutes out which cost us. So Pardew's better than Keegan then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I remember we were 3-2 down against Ferencvaros after the away leg of a european tie all those years ago under Keegan. At SJP he sent out a team that included Gillespie, Ginola, Beardsley, Asprilla, Lee and Ferdinand and tore them to pieces. Pretty much a front 6 putting us on the front foot and getting at them. Night and day in their approaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Aye, Ferencvaros and Benfica. Exactly the same. And yeah, I think it's far to say Pardew didn't have quite the same amount of attacking options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Not to mention that 3-2 down is vastly different from 3-1 down. At 3-2, any low scoring win takes you through. Last night we could basically only win 2-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Comparing Pardew to KK...just don't go there... That WOULD be ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Yeah, I realise it's not a perfect comparison by any means, it's just a handy reflection of the differences in philosophy. I can't think of too many games under Pards when we've really gone out to get at the opposition and make them worry about us. Pardew seems to focus on stopping the opposition first and having a go at them second whereas under KK and Bobby it was the other way around. Maybe once he does have a few more attacking options he'll switch to a more adventurous style but i'm not confident he'll change after this long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. On a serious note, wasn't his next job Fulham in division two? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 indeed it was, fulham who were throwing bags of cash around...who was that french striker they signed for 10m? that was tigana though, i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 To be honest, one of the only half decent sides we played against under Keegan, we went 3-0 up and whether it was the players or himself, we were naive and didn't see the 90 minutes out which cost us. So Pardew's better than Keegan then That's exactly what I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 To be honest, one of the only half decent sides we played against under Keegan, we went 3-0 up and whether it was the players or himself, we were naive and didn't see the 90 minutes out which cost us. So Pardew's better than Keegan then That's exactly what I'm saying. I apologise. I went all Inochi on you there. I just think bringing Keegan into it is ill advised and has absolutely no relevance at all to what is being discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. On a serious note, wasn't his next job Fulham in division two? What's your problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 To be honest, one of the only half decent sides we played against under Keegan, we went 3-0 up and whether it was the players or himself, we were naive and didn't see the 90 minutes out which cost us. So Pardew's better than Keegan then That's exactly what I'm saying. I apologise. I went all Inochi on you there. I just think bringing Keegan into it is ill advised and has absolutely no relevance at all to what is being discussed. It's in response to the posts like, "If Keegan was in charge we'd never have done that". etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. On a serious note, wasn't his next job Fulham in division two? What's your problem? It was a question, think Mojorisin answered above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. On a serious note, wasn't his next job Fulham in division two? What's your problem? It was a question, think Mojorisin answered above Haha whatever, fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Watched 70 minutes of bilge to add to the hundreds and thousands and minutes of bilge I've watched this season, a normal person would understand that frustation - however you're not a normal person, you're a very strange person who feels the need to feel superior to people at every opportunity. I've got no desire to feel less or more superior than anyone else, so I'm not sure how you've gleamed that from my guff; I'm surprised that someone like yourself would have an issue with people being different from each other. It'd make for a very grey board if we were all sheep. I'd love for us to play exciting, attacking, vibrant football that wins us trophies and plaudits. However, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. If we're going to have a period of cutting our cloth accordingly, I don't see why we need to make a song and dance about it every time we don't play cutting edge football. Stu, care to expand on the bits in bold, such as why you think we can't play attacking, passing football with the players we have in the squad (regardless of injuries)? clearly i'm in the "pardew doesn't know how to coach it" camp but if it's something you yearn for, yet still retain some hope for pardew, you must think something else is holding us back again genuine question, not looking for a bite or anything Stu fancy throwing an answer at this, as i said honestly interested in your viewpoint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 In the end this is football guys you will never win if you don't try to score goals. It's really as simple as that. Pardew tries to go for the draw way to many times. From now on we have nothing to lose, why not just let the team play offensive football for 5 games and see how that pans out? Maybe we'll beat everyone by three goals? I have to much faith in the abilities of Siss, Cabaye, Debuch, Ben Arfa, Gouffran, Cisse, Marv offensively to believe we can't outplay 75% of the teams in the league. It's time for Pardew to stop being a defensive coward and go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Our first choice 11 is is as good as/better than anyone outside the top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Our first choice 11 is is as good as/better than anyone outside the top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I'd say the same for our best 18 or so players too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Tim Krul Fabricio Coloccini Davide Santon Yohan Cabaye Moussa Sissoko Vurnon Anita Papiss Demba Cissé Hatem Ben Arfa Yoan Gouffran Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa James Perch Jonas Gutierrez Massadio Haidara Gael Bigirimana Rob Elliot Sylvain Marveaux Foluwashola Ameobi Cheick Tiote Mathieu Debuchy Steven Vincent Taylor Adam Campbell 21 players inc. shola just 'cause he's a striker, cut out some of those i'd let go the point being i agree with IP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Tim Krul Fabricio Coloccini Davide Santon Yohan Cabaye Moussa Sissoko Vurnon Anita Papiss Demba Cissé Hatem Ben Arfa Yoan Gouffran Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa James Perch Jonas Gutierrez Massadio Haidara Gael Bigirimana Rob Elliot Sylvain Marveaux Foluwashola Ameobi Cheick Tiote Mathieu Debuchy Steven Vincent Taylor Adam Campbell 21 players inc. shola just 'cause he's a striker, cut out some of those i'd let go the point being i agree with IP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 pretty sure you could do that with other squadx for example though, never said we had 18 purple players just that our 18 is a match for anyone outside the top 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 pretty sure you could do that with other squadx for example though, never said we had 18 purple players just that our 18 is a match for anyone outside the top 5 There's 13 who any team outside the top5 would be in contention to start imo. Marveux and Anita need another season before we can really see if they are in regular contention/perform. Broadly agree with you, there is a fair spread of internationals. Think it's fair to add that before the Jan window Pards was having to start PL games often with only 5/6 Purples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Keegan could have went to a big club after us IMO, no reason why he couldn't have ended up at Liverpool or wherever. He was England manager after us, when it was the one of the biggest jobs in the country. On a serious note, wasn't his next job Fulham in division two? I think within footballing circles keegan was seen as being too high maintainance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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