LFEE Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I'm reading a lot of people on here wanting rid of AP ASAP... Not reading many alternatives suggested at the same time when really it should be a prerequisite... http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,93490.0.html The first few names mentioned were Alex Ferguson Arsene Wenger and Lee Ryder... Thanks for proving my point for me... Well if you don't want to read the 33 pages or look at the poll that's up to you Just don't complain people aren't putting realistic names forward when they are. Checked the pole out... So its between keeping AP... David Moyes... Roberto Martinez... Just shows there doesn't seem to be a lot out there... Out of interest who do you want and why?... You must have missed Montanier who's got a lot of votes there too. There's plenty out there. My choices personally: Martinez, Montanier, Jol and I've even warmed to the idea of Poyet over time. Simple reason they'll all bring attacking football with an emphasis on width and possession and all have a positive approach which rubs off on their teams. If we had any ambition or if our board valued the importance of having a good manager we'd throw money at Swansea to get Laudrup. Well the plus points with Montanier is obviously his playing style and his contract is up in the summer and he would come with no PL baggage... Not sure of his achievements otherwise? Jol I personally wanted before we decided to go with AP so i think that ship has sailed... Martinez turned down Villa and Liverpool... So not sure what club he is looking for next... I just feel (like i guess most things in life) they (1&3) are gambles which i'm not sure we need to take right now... I just feel if you make your managers position look weak then players pick up on this and that leads to anarchy and trouble... 3 years seems to be a good length of time to judge a manager IMO... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It's a lot easier to get away with excuses when you lose once in a blue moon. Fergie loses, what, five times a season? Pardew is well into the twenties now and he's had some excuse every time. every manager has an excuse at the ready, criticize him for many things for having excuses and attempting to shift blame isn't one of them because anybody we get in (if pardew does leave) will do the exact same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Ketsbaia now! Nutjob poker: I will see your PDC and raise it with a Ketsbaia. Would have been an interesting derby to be fair. Might end in a punch up Sounds good to me. Better than "sit back... sit back... now turn back... no don't run up there.... aim for Shola's head... no don't run up there, are you mad, that's their box..." "Woah!! What you attacking for you muppets. Faaaaackin' hell. I'm off to be a dick" 'Why are you attacking? You're too tired to do that...TOO TIRED TO DO THAT' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. Some thing that is often over looked too. He assembled this team and they don't seem to be able to play to his tactics effectively. The transfer policy may be set above his head but it's not going to change either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 what does anyone think of zola? just a question really, on paper seems to have done well at watford but i know there are reasons behind that such as loaning about 2 entire teams worth of players from italy or whatever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It's a lot easier to get away with excuses when you lose once in a blue moon. Fergie loses, what, five times a season? Pardew is well into the twenties now and he's had some excuse every time. every manager has an excuse at the ready, criticize him for many things for having excuses and attempting to shift blame isn't one of them because anybody we get in (if pardew does leave) will do the exact same No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well, Wiki wasn't exactly helpful with Mr Montanier. Can anyone enlighten me to why he's so highly rated? My assumption at the moment is 'plays nice football', and 'is French'. That's already two things he's got going for him over Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Pellegrini 4m release clause eh... probably the next Chelsea manager (can't see Mourinhio going back there) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well, Wiki wasn't exactly helpful with Mr Montanier. Can anyone enlighten me to why he's so highly rated? My assumption at the moment is 'plays nice football', and 'is French'. That's already two things he's got going for him over Pardew. "Plays shit football" "Is a cunt" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Btw, this idea that we can't replace Pardew because there's no one available at Ashley pay levels is getting stale. Swansea and Southampton appear to have done it. After Sunday when some lower division fascist lunatic turned up and wiped the floor with Pardew I'm surprised anyone's still got the gall to go there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I said Phil Montanier months ago, he's French and his teams play good football. But the main reason for me was, when he first took over at Soceidad, they struggled but he didn't panic and he stuck to playing the good football that has got them to where they are now. Like any fairly unknown manager there are risks, but with us on the verge of relegation under Pardew, i'm not sure it's such a bad risk anymore. A manager who likes to see his team play good football, can tough it out when struggling. The French players should like him. Worth a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Ben Arfa was already there... And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... So that leaves Cabaye who's had as many poor games as good... Same can be said for Santon and Marveaux... Cisse has done well but he has had to replace Carroll+Best in reality... I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... Any more? Not even sure Ba counts anyway considering how much Pardew was begging teams to buy him for months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Let's dig up Valeriy Lobanovskyi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I said Phil Montanier months ago, he's French and his teams play good football. But the main reason for me was, when he first took over at Soceidad, they struggled but he didn't panic and he stuck to playing the good football that has got them to where they are now. Like any fairly unknown manager there are risks, but with us on the verge of relegation under Pardew, i'm not sure it's such a bad risk anymore. A manager who likes to see his team play good football, can tough it out when struggling. The French players should like him. Worth a go. Indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Ben Arfa was already there... And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... So that leaves Cabaye who's had as many poor games as good... Same can be said for Santon and Marveaux... Cisse has done well but he has had to replace Carroll+Best in reality... I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle... Yeah Ba has gone and in came Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Sissoko. Pardew's had plenty of quality bought for him, he's mis-managed the massive majority of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with... too small for a top 5 finish yes we all agree, too small to get more than 36 points in mid April? I fucking think not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle... That's not the truth, it's your opinion. Most of these players are worth a lot of money and our squad is probably among the top 6 in England if you look at the overall fees and wages they would command if we sold them. Especially if you take out the clubs owned by sugar daddies who are operating on a different level to the rest of the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Ben Arfa was already there... And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... So that leaves Cabaye who's had as many poor games as good... Same can be said for Santon and Marveaux... Cisse has done well but he has had to replace Carroll+Best in reality... I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle... I think it's abundantly clear that we have some very talented players at the club, they've shown it both here and at their previous clubs, and some on the international stage too. What we haven't seen is this group of players play above themselves for any period of time and that's pretty telling. In short a better manager than Pardew would get far more out of these players. Hence, for the sake of my own sanity I would much prefer a better manager... "But who do we get?!" I don't know, but I do know that there are dozens probably even hundreds out there better suited to the task Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I wouldn't say Pardew has had a shoe string budget like. We do well financially but he's had very good resources to work with and was effectively given a whole new quad. He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with... We lost Guthrie and brought in Anita and Bigiramana, we lost Best but he was sort of already replaced by Cisse for the start of this season. Lost Ba since then and so far haven't replaced him directly but there's no doubt we've strengthened in the same window by bringing in Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Sissoko. Its really pretty hard to claim that Pardew is simply being let down by transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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