Loïc Remy

[Dinho lad]

How is it the club's fault he's injured, like?

 

It's not, but the club have had this habit of predicting x player will be out for y weeks/months and then, z weeks later, they tell us that he's out for longer than that. Maybe the club see this as some sort of way of "softening" the blow.

 

Load of rubbish, anyway.

[ujpest doza]

Whilst I cant disagree that we really need another "proper" centre forward, the problem, & its been a re-occurring theme on this forum for a while, is the lack of creativity. I cant remember too many times last season when I`ve sat head in hands wondering how we`ve missed so many excellent chances. Sure there`s been times when we`ve looked decent, but in the main Cisse has looked isolated & if we cant make the by-line & put one in, we've been fucked: There's been nothing down the middle.

 

Bizarrely, I`m more inclined to accept that, though it lacks depth, the squad is over par on quality, it just lacks the coaching to provide a cohesive threat up top.

 

 

 

Creativity is not just the job of the midfield though.

If they don't have forwards making runs and creating space they can't create chances for the forwards.

 

[Dr Venkman]

Aye, that's all very admirable. Don't even disagree with most of it, except for the last paragraph. But, we're getting even further away from my point, and this isn't the thread for the discussion it's now become.

 

Are we getting further away from your point, or getting to the heart of it? You think the principle of not paying out extra fees comes above the principle of punching our weight in the league and giving the fans the team they deserve, or have I misunderstood? We can afford the extra money they're asking for, you know it, I know it. We're choosing not to.

[Anderson]

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http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20130815/whats-in-a-number_2281670_3349419

[Dave]

That would have been Gomis if his club/agent weren't acting the cunt, I assume. But, that's besides my point. More just taking issue with the 'ffs dis club' posts on the back of the injury news. Most people seemed pretty happy when he signed, as far as I remember.

 

The DoF has been bleating on about how important it is for us to bring in strikers.

 

The manager has been bleating on about how important it is for us to bring in strikers.

 

Everyone who has the power of observation has been bleating on about how important it is for us to bring in strikers.

 

Everyone seems to recognise this need.

 

We bring in a loan signing (in itself not a bad thing) that can't play for at least a month of the opening campaign. Something we knew about when we signed him. If not then it's even more embarrassing.

 

'ffs dis club' is not a bad way to look at it. Woefully bad planning compounded by seemingly putting all our eggs in the basket of a player who can't play.

 

Excellent work.

 

Not surprised people are 'ffs dis club'.

 

 

 

Like I said, we'd have had Gomis too, but for thrid parties acting the cunt. We should have had another striker in, long before now. I'm not disputing that at all.

 

We'd have had Gomis if we'd paid the money to make it happen.

 

That's true. But, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd have been with being bent over by them/his agent (whatever the situation was). That's hard to accept when we've been left short for the start of the season, I appreciate. However, I can't really blame the club in this case.

 

You'd have been uncomfortable? Why? I'd rather we had some good players on the team than taking pride in our bank balance.

 

Why? Because we'd agreed a fee, as well as terms with the player. Then they wanted us to pay the sell on fee to his former club, or whatever. It's bollocks behaviour, and I'm glad we took a stand. It's more a point of principle, than any concern for our bank balance. I know I'm not the only one to have said this, like.

 

In any case, I still think he'll end up here. They'll be far less bullish in their demands now time is running out.

 

As a matter of principle I think we deserve much better than we're getting. Pardew, Kinnear, lack of investment when the whole league is awash with money. It's total bullshit and I absolutely cannot wait for Ashley to fuck off, or die.

 

I'd sleep soundly if we paid an extra million here or there to play the game with agents, it'd improve our chances of winning football matches, what else are we in it for?

 

This interest in getting a bargain or not giving into agents demands or whatever is mission accomplished for Ashley as far as I'm concerned. We've been collectively lulled into thinking that we exist as a club solely to nurse financial health, the fans aren't bothered if we're getting absolutely embarrassed at home to the mackems and Liverpool as long as we uphold our principles in the transfer market. I'm ashamed to be associated with them tbh.

 

Nailed it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, nobody would every disagree with such a simple argument. Obviously, if we could just overpay here and there in order to finish higher up the league then everyone would be in favour.

 

The whole point is (a) that it's not as simple as that, evidenced by the amount of money wasted in the transfer market and on agent fees etc. And (b) that some people believe the club is right not to be taken for a mug by everyone we deal with, as was the case in the past.

[Guest icemanblue]

Aye, that's all very admirable. Don't even disagree with most of it, except for the last paragraph. But, we're getting even further away from my point, and this isn't the thread for the discussion it's now become.

 

Are we getting further away from your point, or getting to the heart of it? You think the principle of not paying out extra fees comes above the principle of punching our weight in the league and giving the fans the team they deserve, or have I misunderstood? We can afford the extra money they're asking for, you know it, I know it. We're choosing not to.

 

That wasn't my point. I was on about the club being blamed for signing an injured player, then making the point that we'd have had Gomis in, but for...

 

But, yes, you've misunderstood. I've no issue at all with us spending over the odds on players who can help us improve. In fact, I wish we would do it more often. In this instance, however, because of the behaviour of those involved, I'm ok with us choosing not to.

[Benwell Lad]

but it is typical of the club to move slower in the transfer market than a three legged tortoise in a tar pool. we've known since january that we've needed to bring at least one striker in this summer, bringing Remy in on loan is fair enough but surely we should have a list of strikers with more than just Gomis name on? 

 

.....as opposed to big clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal who all got their primary targets "over the line" ages ago. Oh hang on... they haven't ?

Do yourself a favour mate and save the grief for September 2nd, it'll all come out in the wash in the last few days and then, weaker or stronger, is the best time to make judgement. Does wonders for blood pressure and general health just to ignore the bullshit until then.

[Dr Venkman]

I mean, nobody would every disagree with such a simple argument. Obviously, if we could just overpay here and there in order to finish higher up the league then everyone would be in favour.

 

The whole point is (a) that it's not as simple as that, evidenced by the amount of money wasted in the transfer market and on agent fees etc. And (b) that some people believe the club is right not to be taken for a mug by everyone we deal with, as was the case in the past.

 

Ian, it is as simple as that. Pay money, the likes of an extra couple of million for this Gomis deal we can definitely afford, and give ourselves a better chance of winning games. Or take pleasure in getting bargains instead of winning football matches. What are you in it for?

 

Our problems in the past weren't the money we paid, they were who we paid it for. You talk about wasted money, it's not wasted if you get the right manager and the right players. We've got a great scout, why don't we back him?

[Dr Venkman]

but it is typical of the club to move slower in the transfer market than a three legged tortoise in a tar pool. we've known since january that we've needed to bring at least one striker in this summer, bringing Remy in on loan is fair enough but surely we should have a list of strikers with more than just Gomis name on? 

 

.....as opposed to big clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal who all got their primary targets "over the line" ages ago. Oh hang on... they haven't ?

Do yourself a favour mate and save the grief for September 2nd, it'll all come out in the wash in the last few days and then, weaker or stronger, is the best time to make judgement. Does wonders for blood pressure and general health just to ignore the bullshit until then.

 

Why can't we treat the transfer activity as it is? An ongoing policy over many seasons, rather than designating a cutoff point at which we're allowed to be concerned? We can judge the clubs transfer policy today, it won't change

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, nobody would every disagree with such a simple argument. Obviously, if we could just overpay here and there in order to finish higher up the league then everyone would be in favour.

 

The whole point is (a) that it's not as simple as that, evidenced by the amount of money wasted in the transfer market and on agent fees etc. And (b) that some people believe the club is right not to be taken for a mug by everyone we deal with, as was the case in the past.

 

Ian, it is as simple as that. Pay money, the likes of an extra couple of million for this Gomis deal we can definitely afford, and give ourselves a better chance of winning games. Or take pleasure in getting bargains instead of winning football matches. What are you in it for?

 

Our problems in the past weren't the money we paid, they were who we paid it for. You talk about wasted money, it's not wasted if you get the right manager and the right players. We've got a great scout, why don't we back him?

 

Sure, but you haven't really advanced the argument much there. As I said, obviously nobody could disagree with the equation if paying more just equaled more success directly. And of course it depends on who you buy, but there again you minimise risk if every individual is less valuable. Assuming that you agree that some signings will inevitably flop.

 

I do get pleasure in operating shrewdly in the market, presumably everyone thinks that's a positive to some extent. Otherwise why do we laugh at Liverpool for wasting money on Downing and Henderson etc?

 

I do agree we have a good scout though, and he can be trusted more than most to deliver good players. Although I think his skill is more in identifying players who are available because of their situation (contract etc) than actual talent scouting. Everyone knows who most of the players are we buy.

[Heake]

Whilst I cant disagree that we really need another "proper" centre forward, the problem, & its been a re-occurring theme on this forum for a while, is the lack of creativity. I cant remember too many times last season when I`ve sat head in hands wondering how we`ve missed so many excellent chances. Sure there`s been times when we`ve looked decent, but in the main Cisse has looked isolated & if we cant make the by-line & put one in, we've been f***ed: There's been nothing down the middle.

 

Bizarrely, I`m more inclined to accept that, though it lacks depth, the squad is over par on quality, it just lacks the coaching to provide a cohesive threat up top.

 

 

 

Creativity is not just the job of the midfield though.

If they don't have forwards making runs and creating space they can't create chances for the forwards.

 

 

Something hopefully Remy will provide. However, you`ve still got to get the fucker to him.

[Dr Venkman]

I mean, nobody would every disagree with such a simple argument. Obviously, if we could just overpay here and there in order to finish higher up the league then everyone would be in favour.

 

The whole point is (a) that it's not as simple as that, evidenced by the amount of money wasted in the transfer market and on agent fees etc. And (b) that some people believe the club is right not to be taken for a mug by everyone we deal with, as was the case in the past.

 

Ian, it is as simple as that. Pay money, the likes of an extra couple of million for this Gomis deal we can definitely afford, and give ourselves a better chance of winning games. Or take pleasure in getting bargains instead of winning football matches. What are you in it for?

 

Our problems in the past weren't the money we paid, they were who we paid it for. You talk about wasted money, it's not wasted if you get the right manager and the right players. We've got a great scout, why don't we back him?

 

Sure, but you haven't really advanced the argument much there. As I said, obviously nobody could disagree with the equation if paying more just equaled more success directly. And of course it depends on who you buy, but there again you minimise risk if every individual is less valuable. Assuming that you agree that some signings will inevitably flop.

 

I do get pleasure in operating shrewdly in the market, presumably everyone thinks that's a positive to some extent. Otherwise why do we laugh at Liverpool for wasting money on Downing and Henderson etc?

 

I do agree we have a good scout though, and he can be trusted more than most to deliver good players. Although I think his skill is more in identifying players who are available because of their situation (contract etc) than actual talent scouting. Everyone knows who most of the players are we buy.

 

I 'advanced the argument' by pulling you on saying its not as simple as that, because it is. If we paid an extra couple of million Gomis would be an NUFC player. What's complicated about that?

 

Being shrewd is good, being a great football team is better. I laughed at Liverpool for paying 20m for Henderson, they beat us 6-0 at St James' Park.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

[Hanshithispantz]

I will continue to be baffled by sides paying top dollar for Downings, Milners and Hendersons, but not at Soldados, Paulinhos or Schurrles.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

With Gomis it probably is as simple, as long as you don't mind being taken for a ride by dodgy agents etc. There are always examples where you could say a few more million could get a decent player.

 

But I was talking more about the principle of trying to get good value in the transfer market, and spreading risk by buying individuals for less money and with residual value when they leave. You can't make a very good argument based on individual examples IMO... because inevitably there would be an example where we overpaid to get a player and it worked out badly. Probably many.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

 

Remy?

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

 

Remy?

 

Who's injured for a month of it?

 

My point is we have the same team that finished 16th for Monday

[henke]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

 

Remy?

 

Who's injured for a month of it?

 

My point is we have the same team that finished 16th for Monday

 

And the same manager, whose position is now being undermined by foul mouthed fat alchy. So despite having a summer to rectify problems, we're actually worse off than May

[Dokko]

Its not as simple as that. He could break his leg first game and be out for most of the season. Paying more money in the transfer market doesn't always equal better performances and higher finishes. Look at Liverpool paying £35m, £20m and £18m on Carroll, Downing & Henderson..it got them nowhere while two have left for a loss of £34m 

 

Then you've got managers who can't implement or use players properly (see Pardew) so buying another talented player the manager can't use is a total waste of money.

 

There are loads of factors, it certainly isn't as simple as that.

 

As for Gomis, I really hope we don't pay an extra couple of million, we've reached the max value and I'm surprised we even went that far. It is no coincidence no one else has matched our offer, and if we go ahead and do such a thing we are just panicking.

[Guest Spark]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

 

Remy?

 

Who's injured for a month of it?

 

My point is we have the same team that finished 16th for Monday

 

Not our fault he's injured, though, is it? If we sign Gomis and he picks up a knock before Man City, would you still make the same statement?

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

So we haven't got a single new recruit for the new season. Good work Newcastle

 

Remy?

 

Who's injured for a month of it?

 

My point is we have the same team that finished 16th for Monday

 

And the same manager, whose position is now being undermined by foul mouthed fat alchy. So despite having a summer to rectify problems, we're actually worse off than May

 

I'd probably argue that you need to spend money to stay still too.

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

Its not as simple as that. He could break his leg first game and be out for most of the season. Paying more money in the transfer market doesn't always equal better performances and higher finishes. Look at Liverpool paying £35, £20m and £18m on Carroll, Downing & Henderson..it got them nowhere while two have left for a loss of £34m 

 

Then you've got managers who can't implement or use players properly (see Pardew) so buying another talented player the manager can't use is a total waste of money.

 

There are loads of factors, it certainly isn't as simple as that.

 

As for Gomis, I really hope we don't pay an extra couple of million, we've reached the max value and I'm surprised we even went that far. It is no coincidence no one else has matched our offer, and if we go ahead and do such a thing we are just panicking.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Its not as simple as that. He could break his leg first game and be out for most of the season. Paying more money in the transfer market doesn't always equal better performances and higher finishes. Look at Liverpool paying £35, £20m and £18m on Carroll, Downing & Henderson..it got them nowhere while two have left for a loss of £34m 

 

Then you've got managers who can't implement or use players properly (see Pardew) so buying another talented player the manager can't use is a total waste of money.

 

There are loads of factors, it certainly isn't as simple as that.

 

As for Gomis, I really hope we don't pay an extra couple of million, we've reached the max value and I'm surprised we even went that far. It is no coincidence no one else has matched our offer, and if we go ahead and do such a thing we are just panicking.

 

Basically what I mean.

[Wullie]

If Liverpool committed such a cardinal financial sin, how come they haven't gone out of business? How come they're still spending and spending? The Premier League clubs are swimming in money, some people haven't quite grasped this. They can afford to spend big money with very little consequence.

 

Ian, funny how you agreed with TT saying that spending doesn't bring success, yet also claim we can't compete with Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, because they've got more money than we have. It's one or the other, you can't have both.

 

If we don't trust Graham Carr's choices enough to spend the asking price, why is he employed?