Mole_Toonfan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He's ne Hatem. In the sense that both are crap on the left he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Bit odd they didn't switch flanks with Sissoko. Moussa's strength against Tomkins and Thauvin against Cresswell would have suited better I think. And why put crosses in when you are attacking slowly and there is only Cisse in the box? Just let him cut in from left to make room for Janmaat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Isn't this his second game in the league? Howay, man. what's that got to to with anything? 1st game or 50th game, that was a woeful performance that he put in. Makes absolutely no difference that it was only his second game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Disappointing last night. Looking at his ex Marseille teammates (e.g Payet, and Ayew at Swansea) he looked like the runt of the litter. Looking at their stats over last season gives me more hope: Payet P36 scored 7; Thauvin P36 scored 5; Ayew P27 scored 10 (used more as forward than AM). FT also had 8 assists (don't know about other two). FT also a few years younger. So thinking (a) he wasn't given much of the ball (didn't demand it/do much with it when he had the chance to show teammates he was an outlet); (b) he looked stronger/more comfortable on the right; © he's a flair player not a steady eddy, and will go off the boil in some games; (d) he has shown flashes of greatness in previous games; (e) f**k pessimism! I was enjoying the idea we had a new Ginola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Bit odd they didn't switch flanks with Sissoko. Moussa's strength against Tomkins and Thauvin against Cresswell would have suited better I think. And why put crosses in when you are attacking slowly and there is only Cisse in the box? Just let him cut in from left to make room for Janmaat This. I'm getting concerned that SMc can be slow to react in games when tactically plan A doesn't look like working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Disappointing last night. Looking at his ex Marseille teammates (e.g Payet, and Ayew at Swansea) he looked like the runt of the litter. Looking at their stats over last season gives me more hope: Payet P36 scored 7; Thauvin P36 scored 5; Ayew P27 scored 10 (used more as forward than AM). FT also had 8 assists (don't know about other two). FT also a few years younger. So thinking (a) he wasn't given much of the ball (didn't demand it/do much with it when he had the chance to show teammates he was an outlet); (b) he looked stronger/more comfortable on the right; © he's a flair player not a steady eddy, and will go off the boil in some games; (d) he has shown flashes of greatness in previous games; (e) f**k pessimism! I was enjoying the idea we had a new Ginola. It's very important people stop being so quick to judge a flair player who is playing on the wrong side of his preferred position when the entire team was set to contain and he's out there trying to cross the ball to a man who wasn't arsed to be playing last night. Yes, Thauvin had a poor showing, but people need to consider how the manager should have handled Ben Arfa, Marveaux, and Cabella - just because they didn't graft their dicks off and made a hollywood slide tackle, doesn't mean shit - they'll still be more likely to score or create a goal than Obertan, Colback, Anita etc. etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Disappointing last night. Looking at his ex Marseille teammates (e.g Payet, and Ayew at Swansea) he looked like the runt of the litter. Looking at their stats over last season gives me more hope: Payet P36 scored 7; Thauvin P36 scored 5; Ayew P27 scored 10 (used more as forward than AM). FT also had 8 assists (don't know about other two). FT also a few years younger. So thinking (a) he wasn't given much of the ball (didn't demand it/do much with it when he had the chance to show teammates he was an outlet); (b) he looked stronger/more comfortable on the right; © he's a flair player not a steady eddy, and will go off the boil in some games; (d) he has shown flashes of greatness in previous games; (e) f**k pessimism! I was enjoying the idea we had a new Ginola. It's very important people stop being so quick to judge a flair player who is playing on the wrong side of his preferred position when the entire team was set to contain and he's out there trying to cross the ball to a man who wasn't arsed to be playing last night. Yes, Thauvin had a poor showing, but people need to consider how the manager should have handled Ben Arfa, Marveaux, and Cabella - just because they didn't graft their dicks off and made a hollywood slide tackle, doesn't mean s*** - they'll still be more likely to score or create a goal than Obertan, Colback, Anita etc. etc. etc. That;s the point. He was shit going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Played on the wrong wing + everyone was shit going forward. Big fucking deal man. Game 2.5 of his long standing PL career in a contain system with 0 movement or support around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Of course he was, but so was Ben Arfa on the left. You are basically telling him to be a left sided Solano when he isn't that obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Tbf TCD, he didn't have much of the ball. I would like to re watch the game and count just how many times we attempted to attack down the left, rather than the right. guessing it would be a small percentage, of a hugely unimpressive number of attacks (given the amount of possession we had). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Wonder what Messi would do in our team playing on the left wing last night. Nobody to play balls in to. Nobody to pass to, unless they are behind him. Passing to CIsse who would lose the ball. Nobody to cross to. And having to run so far back to contain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Wonder what Messi would do in our team playing on the left wing last night. Nobody to play balls in to. Nobody to pass to, unless they are behind him. Passing to CIsse who would lose the ball. Nobody to cross to. And having to run so far back to contain Messi? He'd have scored a couple probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Played on the wrong wing + everyone was s*** going forward. Big f***ing deal man. Game 2.5 of his long standing PL career in a contain system with 0 movement or support around him. You can find all the reason's in the world, but non of them explain why he gave the ball away constantly and couldn't beat the first man on any crosses. The lad just had a shitter, no need to dig around all over the place for other people/things to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He played poorly yesterday, I get that. I stated that. What doesn't need to happen to a 22 year old winger who played on the opposite side of his preferred wing is to be writing him off or saying he needs to immediately sit on the bench b/c that would be incredibly pointless to do when he's still likely our best creative wide talent we've got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 No one seems to be writing him off, they are just saying he was s*** yesterday because he was. No need to go looking for other reasons to blame it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Disappointing last night. Looking at his ex Marseille teammates (e.g Payet, and Ayew at Swansea) he looked like the runt of the litter. Looking at their stats over last season gives me more hope: Payet P36 scored 7; Thauvin P36 scored 5; Ayew P27 scored 10 (used more as forward than AM). FT also had 8 assists (don't know about other two). FT also a few years younger. So thinking (a) he wasn't given much of the ball (didn't demand it/do much with it when he had the chance to show teammates he was an outlet); (b) he looked stronger/more comfortable on the right; © he's a flair player not a steady eddy, and will go off the boil in some games; (d) he has shown flashes of greatness in previous games; (e) f**k pessimism! I was enjoying the idea we had a new Ginola. It's very important people stop being so quick to judge a flair player who is playing on the wrong side of his preferred position when the entire team was set to contain and he's out there trying to cross the ball to a man who wasn't arsed to be playing last night. Yes, Thauvin had a poor showing, but people need to consider how the manager should have handled Ben Arfa, Marveaux, and Cabella - just because they didn't graft their dicks off and made a hollywood slide tackle, doesn't mean shit - they'll still be more likely to score or create a goal than Obertan, Colback, Anita etc. etc. etc. If he'd actually got a decent cross in then at least we could have asked the question why wasn't Cisse on the end of that? But he didn't. I'm not saying it was entirely his fault, but him and Haidara got pretty much locked up last night by the West Ham defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He only managed 3 of his 8 attempts of passing into the final third. Attempted 3 take ons.. completed 0. He wa mas probably the worst / most anonymous man on the pitch. Ayoze looked liek Messi in comparison. Think he should be eased into things. If his best position is on the right play him there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He only managed 3 of his 8 attempts of passing into the final third. Attempted 3 take ons.. completed 0. He wa mas probably the worst / most anonymous man on the pitch. Ayoze looked liek Messi in comparison. Think he should be eased into things. If his best position is on the right play him there. Such a WUM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He only managed 3 of his 8 attempts of passing into the final third. Attempted 3 take ons.. completed 0. He wa mas probably the worst / most anonymous man on the pitch. Ayoze looked liek Messi in comparison. Think he should be eased into things. If his best position is on the right play him there. Such a WUM Did he do anything positive? Didn't beat anyone. Didn't deliver 1 good cross. Didn't play one good pass. Most of his passes went to a West Ham player. He had a mare plain and simple. Cisse & Colback live long in the memory because they finished the game but Thauvin was just as bad for the 60 minutes. Special shout outs to Haidara for being useless at everything too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Yep, you make a valid point TCD. Thauvin had a 'mare and Haidara didn't play very well, either. On a lighter note, I can't read your posts without doing a ( piss poor) Obama voice. Makes me smile very time I catch myself doing it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 LOL. Early days for Thauvin. But it's the likes of Haidara, Anita, Colback & Cisse that you question everything about them. Or in the latter two, write them off completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Woke up this morning half asleep Twelve million quid burnt in a heap, and all his crosses went into their ha-ands I'm just sitting watching Florian Thauvain Watching Florian Thauvain Doing f*ck all again..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Certainly no Ben Arfa. Jury still out for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I think he might come good provided he stands up to the physical side of the game here. A decent left back would help as well, look at the difference Janmaat made for Sissoko on the other flank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 It's his ability that is worrying me moreso than his physicality. 2 games. Not a exciting ball or strike, or piece of play between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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