TRon Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? For Ashley maybe. Hence the JFK appointment perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? For Ashley maybe. Hence the JFK appointment perhaps. alarm bells in what respect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I think generally very happy with him till he threw his toys out the pram over finances. The style was decent, he looked to be trying to build things at a clubs that had been in the shit, and they achieved a fair bit relatively. But but that doesn't mean his football was always enjoyable. He was often conservative, not go for the win before securing a draw, dropping his wingers just to try to negate the other team, something he'd no doubt get hammered for on here. Wouldn't want him near the club personally, but maybe I'm a little biased. the point for me is balance, if you go all out attack every game and win enough then fine you'll get on like keegan did but to go all out defend and not win you'll fail like pardew does one of my favourite ever CL games was ac milan vs. juventus which ended 0-0...it was a defensive masterclass from both teams but we're not even seeing defensive masterclasses...we're a fucking shambles Pardew is being shit, I know. I just wouldn't expect Poyet to be great shakes in terms of having a go at teams (nor provide a Milan/Juve defensive masterclass for that matter). Plus he whines. My God does he whine. /not bitter in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I think generally very happy with him till he threw his toys out the pram over finances. The style was decent, he looked to be trying to build things at a clubs that had been in the shit, and they achieved a fair bit relatively. But but that doesn't mean his football was always enjoyable. He was often conservative, not go for the win before securing a draw, dropping his wingers just to try to negate the other team, something he'd no doubt get hammered for on here. Wouldn't want him near the club personally, but maybe I'm a little biased. the point for me is balance, if you go all out attack every game and win enough then fine you'll get on like keegan did but to go all out defend and not win you'll fail like pardew does one of my favourite ever CL games was ac milan vs. juventus which ended 0-0...it was a defensive masterclass from both teams but we're not even seeing defensive masterclasses...we're a fucking shambles Pardew is being shit, I know. I just wouldn't expect Poyet to be great shakes in terms of having a go at teams (nor provide a Milan/Juve defensive masterclass for that matter). Plus he whines. My God does he whine. /not bitter in the slightest. none of that, none of it at all suggests he'd be worse than pardiola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are fucked up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I think generally very happy with him till he threw his toys out the pram over finances. The style was decent, he looked to be trying to build things at a clubs that had been in the s***, and they achieved a fair bit relatively. But but that doesn't mean his football was always enjoyable. He was often conservative, not go for the win before securing a draw, dropping his wingers just to try to negate the other team, something he'd no doubt get hammered for on here. Wouldn't want him near the club personally, but maybe I'm a little biased. the point for me is balance, if you go all out attack every game and win enough then fine you'll get on like keegan did but to go all out defend and not win you'll fail like pardew does one of my favourite ever CL games was ac milan vs. juventus which ended 0-0...it was a defensive masterclass from both teams but we're not even seeing defensive masterclasses...we're a f***ing shambles Pardew is being s***, I know. I just wouldn't expect Poyet to be great shakes in terms of having a go at teams (nor provide a Milan/Juve defensive masterclass for that matter). Plus he whines. My God does he whine. /not bitter in the slightest. I read a few threads on Poyet on some BHFC forum (sad cunt that I am), and I noticed mixed reviews as far the football he played is concerned. In the main, though, they all agreed that he gave them a footballing identity. A distinctive style of play. Some thought it was good entertaining football, and some thought it was tactically naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are fucked up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I think generally very happy with him till he threw his toys out the pram over finances. The style was decent, he looked to be trying to build things at a clubs that had been in the s***, and they achieved a fair bit relatively. But but that doesn't mean his football was always enjoyable. He was often conservative, not go for the win before securing a draw, dropping his wingers just to try to negate the other team, something he'd no doubt get hammered for on here. Wouldn't want him near the club personally, but maybe I'm a little biased. the point for me is balance, if you go all out attack every game and win enough then fine you'll get on like keegan did but to go all out defend and not win you'll fail like pardew does one of my favourite ever CL games was ac milan vs. juventus which ended 0-0...it was a defensive masterclass from both teams but we're not even seeing defensive masterclasses...we're a f***ing shambles Pardew is being s***, I know. I just wouldn't expect Poyet to be great shakes in terms of having a go at teams (nor provide a Milan/Juve defensive masterclass for that matter). Plus he whines. My God does he whine. /not bitter in the slightest. I read a few threads on Poyet on some BHFC forum (sad cunt that I am), and I noticed mixed reviews as far the football he played is concerned. In the main, though, they all agreed that he gave them a footballing identity. A distinctive style of play. Some thought it was good entertaining football, and some thought it was tactically naive. Sounds like a great concept. Seriously I thought they looked very well organised when they played us, whereas we looked the same as usual. No shape or movement with everyone looking at each other as to what to do next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence the second part of my post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I genuinely think it would be hard to find a worse manager than pardew at the minute. It's at the point of actually insanity now, he hasn't the first clue what he is doing the thing that certain people can't see is that the players so obviously know this, they don't believe in the man and what he's telling them, the net result is on the pitch /assumption Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? EDIT: HA! you cut the important bit with a sneaky edit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? Ashley would have sacked him regardless if Keegan walked or not. Keegan kicked up a fuss and chaos was caused from high up. That's what Ian was implying, Ashley wouldn't allow a manager to come in and do things his way, if he tried, like Keegan wanted to, he's gone, that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. or anyone else who would object to the current transfer policy so that narrows it down to who? who the hell would work under these restraints because I sure as hell can't see Poyet doing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? EDIT: HA! you cut the important bit with a sneaky edit I don't even know if your talking about me or Ian now, i certainly haven't edited any quotes or bold markers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? Ashley would have sacked him regardless if Keegan walked or not. Keegan kicked up a fuss and chaos was caused from high up. That's what Ian was implying, Ashley wouldn't allow a manager to come in and do things his way, if he tried, like Keegan wanted to, he's gone, that simple. ian can imply whatever the fuck he likes, but ashley sacked allardyce for being shit and signing people on mental contracts, keegan walked, and he sacked hughton because they wanted their own man in...and that's the sum of that really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? Ashley would have sacked him regardless if Keegan walked or not. Keegan kicked up a fuss and chaos was caused from high up. That's what Ian was implying, Ashley wouldn't allow a manager to come in and do things his way, if he tried, like Keegan wanted to, he's gone, that simple. ian can imply whatever the f*** he likes, but ashley sacked allardyce for being s*** and signing people on mental contracts, keegan walked, and he sacked hughton because they wanted their own man in...and that's the sum of that really Own man? He appointed Hughton! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. or anyone else who would object to the current transfer policy so that narrows it down to who? who the hell would work under these restraints because I sure as hell can't see Poyet doing it Aye that's the million dollar question, i think it would depend on who they approach (assuming it isn't JFK) and what that manager demands to take the job. No one then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Even if you leave the question of sacking/walking out aside, chaos at the top of the club is never going to help anyone. I know this sounds silly now, as we've managed to achieve chaos and keep Pardew by appointing JFK, but I think the point about suitable managers is still valid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? EDIT: HA! you cut the important bit with a sneaky edit I don't even know if your talking about me or Ian now, i certainly haven't edited any quotes or bold markers? i apologise, is there a quote limit? 'cause i quoted you where you'd quoted the bit i bolded then in what i quoted my post was gone...thought you'd done some sneaky EDIT my apologies sir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. Yeah, but we have Ashley, that's the thing. So if the manager makes too much of a fuss he'll just be sacked. And chaos. Hence why i'm sticking with Pards, at least he's half coping with it off the pitch at the moment even though he knows things are f***ed up, just now his job to get things right on the pitch starting with tomorrow. hold on, hold on, you should probably flesh this out a bit with some facts Keegan walked out on him, took him to court and won. Fairly factual, Ashley's way or the highway. so totally the opposite of what was said and what i bolded then? Ashley would have sacked him regardless if Keegan walked or not. Keegan kicked up a fuss and chaos was caused from high up. That's what Ian was implying, Ashley wouldn't allow a manager to come in and do things his way, if he tried, like Keegan wanted to, he's gone, that simple. ian can imply whatever the f*** he likes, but ashley sacked allardyce for being s*** and signing people on mental contracts, keegan walked, and he sacked hughton because they wanted their own man in...and that's the sum of that really Own man? He appointed Hughton! suppose i meant a man he owns then...still, you're wrong... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He threw his toys out of the pram over finances? No alarm bells there for anyone? Good point but i'd rather a manager stood up to owners than let himself get bummed. Ashley wouldn't appoint Poyet if he stands up for himself. or anyone else who would object to the current transfer policy so that narrows it down to who? who the hell would work under these restraints because I sure as hell can't see Poyet doing it Aye that's the million dollar question, i think it would depend on who they approach (assuming it isn't JFK) and what that manager demands to take the job. No one then quite frankly he's the only one I could see taking it since every other scenario involves working under JFK and that seems like a dealbreaker to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Even if you leave the question of sacking/walking out aside, chaos at the top of the club is never going to help anyone. I know this sounds silly now, as we've managed to achieve chaos and keep Pardew by appointing JFK, but I think the point about suitable managers is still valid. we don't have a suitable manager now, so i agree, valid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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