Benwell Lad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If balance is allowed here, and I realise it probably isn't, the remarks relating to part of Pardew's remit being to reduce or rationalise the wage bill must be taken in the context of what it was at the time he was appointed and who the highest earners were. Against a backdrop of years of being a benevolent pension fund for aging has-beens it seems like a perfectly reasonable challenge to set the new manager. Any fair minded soul would probably say he (they) have been reasonably successful in that aspect of the job. That said his remark about HBA was just plain stupid. That's a fair point about reducing the wage bill by unloading those who were overpaid. I would think any club would want a "cost effective" squad. Although again I would have to say that I am really not convinced that he has much of say on transfer dealings or ever has had. Don't cloud the issue. Having a say in transfers (Golfmag explicitly told us that this part of Pardew's contract was unusual in that it spelled out that he absolutely did not have a say) is a totally different matter to inviting bids for our players via the press at the owner's demand. Forgive my ignorance of how transfer deals are conducted but, if there's an ounce of truth in this conspiracy theory, wouldn't it just be easier to send an email to Everton along the lines of "do you wanna buy Ben Arfa". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If balance is allowed here, and I realise it probably isn't, the remarks relating to part of Pardew's remit being to reduce or rationalise the wage bill must be taken in the context of what it was at the time he was appointed and who the highest earners were. Against a backdrop of years of being a benevolent pension fund for aging has-beens it seems like a perfectly reasonable challenge to set the new manager. Any fair minded soul would probably say he (they) have been reasonably successful in that aspect of the job. That said his remark about HBA was just plain stupid. That's a fair point about reducing the wage bill by unloading those who were overpaid. I would think any club would want a "cost effective" squad. Although again I would have to say that I am really not convinced that he has much of say on transfer dealings or ever has had. Don't cloud the issue. Having a say in transfers (Golfmag explicitly told us that this part of Pardew's contract was unusual in that it spelled out that he absolutely did not have a say) is a totally different matter to inviting bids for our players via the press at the owner's demand. Forgive my ignorance of how transfer deals are conducted but, if there's an ounce of truth in this conspiracy theory, wouldn't it just be easier to send an email to Everton along the lines of "do you wanna buy Ben Arfa". Football clubs can only communicate via the press. Don't act ignorant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 But do people think the overall strategy of 'reducing the wage bill' or making the club more self-sufficient is exactly the same as 'actively trying to sell anyone we can'? Honest question. And also, why does Pardew have so little say in transfers if his personal goal (make money from player sales) is so closely aligned to what Ashley wants to do anyway. Benwell Lad's post is spot on IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If balance is allowed here, and I realise it probably isn't, the remarks relating to part of Pardew's remit being to reduce or rationalise the wage bill must be taken in the context of what it was at the time he was appointed and who the highest earners were. Against a backdrop of years of being a benevolent pension fund for aging has-beens it seems like a perfectly reasonable challenge to set the new manager. Any fair minded soul would probably say he (they) have been reasonably successful in that aspect of the job. That said his remark about HBA was just plain stupid. That's a fair point about reducing the wage bill by unloading those who were overpaid. I would think any club would want a "cost effective" squad. Although again I would have to say that I am really not convinced that he has much of say on transfer dealings or ever has had. Don't cloud the issue. Having a say in transfers (Golfmag explicitly told us that this part of Pardew's contract was unusual in that it spelled out that he absolutely did not have a say) is a totally different matter to inviting bids for our players via the press at the owner's demand. Forgive my ignorance of how transfer deals are conducted but, if there's an ounce of truth in this conspiracy theory, wouldn't it just be easier to send an email to Everton along the lines of "do you wanna buy Ben Arfa". Why don't we just deal with Cabaye for now? Why would that be 'easier'? Is it difficult for Pardew to talk about losing players in the press, like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Btw I love that it's now been called a conspiracy theory twice. As if the assertion that Ashley would rather finance new players by selling players we already have is some sort of wild, philosophical musing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Not this shit again Football clubs constantly use the media to communicate ffs, if you have even half a brain this is obvious. "bt why nt use the phone lol" go back to school ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Btw I love that it's now been called a conspiracy theory twice. As if the assertion that Ashley would rather finance new players by selling players we already have is some sort of wild, philosophical musing. TBF it actually has only happened with Carroll. I don't doubt he would love to bring some money in, I'm just not sure you can logically extend that to mean we're actively shopping all our best players to our rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. His snapped ankle and the issue last season. Its harldey and horrendous injury record of on and off injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Reading thopse GolfMag posts again brings me back to the feeling most of us had at the time Pardew was appointed. It was easy to forget who he is, where he came from and under what circumstances he accepted the job when he took us to 5th place. Now though, those issues seem far more pressing and illustrative of the way our club is being operated. He's a manager whose misfortunes forced him to take charge of a League One club - a club that eventually wanted to keep evolving and got rid of him. The complete liberation from logic that lies behind Ashley and Llambias decision to appoint him in the first place was never confronted in the press. Not to the degree it should have been. Our clubs sporting ambition ceased to exist the moment this man was brought in. If his contract is constructed the way GolfMag describes it, it's even more of a scandal. But Pardew made himself out to be a manager of some sort of calibre at once, and he seemingly has a way of getting along with a lot of people. There's not much reason to be angry with him for taking the opportunity to manage in the Premier League again, even though his previous record should have made that impossible. There's however loads of reason to despise his acceptance of a role where he would serve as a football manager under the control of people who had no intention of achieving any footballing success. Add to that the unfairly displacing an honest professional in the process, which he evidently knew about. Hopefully someone inside the club can document exactly what's going on, because this all seems as if it could make for a smashing documentary at some stage. I'd love to know the full story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. His snapped ankle and the issue last season. Its harldey and horrendous injury record of on and off injuries. Gimp, you type that with your forehead ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. His snapped ankle and the issue last season. Its harldey and horrendous injury record of on and off injuries. 19 games last season says otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Btw I love that it's now been called a conspiracy theory twice. As if the assertion that Ashley would rather finance new players by selling players we already have is some sort of wild, philosophical musing. TBF it actually has only happened with Carroll. I don't doubt he would love to bring some money in, I'm just not sure you can logically extend that to mean we're actively shopping all our best players to our rivals. Do you mind if I respond to this? I don't need to logically extend the Carroll sale. The touting around of Cabaye on this occasion and Tiote last summer will do for me. Oh, and at the prices we're talking about I don't think we're likely to sell to any of our rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Benwell Lad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 But do people think the overall strategy of 'reducing the wage bill' or making the club more self-sufficient is exactly the same as 'actively trying to sell anyone we can'? Honest question. I think, as proven time and time again in football and business in general, that everything has it's price and will be sold. As a club I definitely think that any player is for sale if they meet Ashley's valuation. However we're also known as hard dealers nowadays and only "Carrollesque" type bids will be accepted for our top players, which in fairness probably deters most clubs from trying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. His snapped ankle and the issue last season. Its harldey and horrendous injury record of on and off injuries. Gimp, you type that with your forehead ?. in anger yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Advertising players via the press rather than explicitly (which the buyer could easily publicize) makes it much easier for the dim to believe that the club were somehow powerless in selling someone. They did it with Carroll, Harry Redknapp even commented on how it amused him that they were claiming woe is me when they'd been trying to peddle him all month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I think the plan was to flog Tiote first but after such a tragic drop in performance his value has plummeted. The next player we think we could get big money for is Cabaye and after that Ben Arfa in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ben Arfa won't exactly go for big money at the moment considering his horrendous injury record here. His snapped ankle and the issue last season. Its harldey and horrendous injury record of on and off injuries. Gimp, you type that with your forehead ?. in anger yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Advertising players via the press rather than explicitly (which the buyer could easily publicize) makes it much easier for the dim to believe that the club were somehow powerless in selling someone. They did it with Carroll, Harry Redknapp even commented on how it amused him that they were claiming woe is me when they'd been trying to peddle him all month. "I had a good laugh this afternoon watching the interview from Newcastle," Redknapp told Sky Sports News. "I thought it was one of the most amusing things I'd seen. 'How hard Newcastle had fought to keep him and pulled out all the stops and they had battled it all the way, even when he put in a transfer request'. "Every time these clubs sell a player they seem to have to get the player to put in a transfer request to make it look like they did not want to sell him." Forgot about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Good old Harry. Love him. Fountain of wisdom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Everything he says is probably true but also to be fair 'Arry was also pissed because he wanted Carroll but was only willing to pay about £20m at the time if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If Pardew wasn't part of Ashley's sinister regime he wouldn't be in a job. He want's a Premier League Cash Cow without the expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If Pardew wasn't part of Ashley's sinister regime he wouldn't be in a job. He want's a Premier League Cash Cow without the expense. Now there's a cue for two weeks of endless going round in circles debate if ever I saw one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 I'd like to punch him in the mouth. How can you do that from behind him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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