Alan Pardew

[quayside]

 

 

Those golfmag posts get more and more real every window.

 

Any chance of a recap? Saw something in someone's sig but I haven't seen anything else

 

Our London lawyers told us two weeks ago that Pardew was being lined up, to the extend that a draft contract was in place. I can only guess from that they they have prepared it. I refused to believe it but I am not sure all of a sudden...

 

 

When I first found this out, it was when Chris and the team were riding a wave, back in October I think. Pardew's name had bever been mentioned anywhere to my knowledge and I flat didn't believe what I was being told. I, like all of us, am still clinging to the hope that Ashley has had his head turned by Jol's sudden availability. But I do know for a fact that the plan in question has been in place for a long time.

 

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context..

 

 

Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. I think that this fact will influence much of this summer's decisions - ones that seem logical to us and ones that don't.

 

depressing. Was he a credible ITK though?

 

The calling of Pardew makes Golfmag a very credible ITK, probably the best ever. I do find it hard to get hold of the reducing of costs/wages etc. I just don't think he has any say in that. Other than that....

He's the direct link between the players and the board so he has a massive say tbh. It's pretty widely accepted that Hughton was sacked because he was too pally with the players and would stick up for them when needed.

 

He has a massive say on wages that are written into the players contracts? I don't think he has anything like that sort of influence.

Nobody has said that, have they?

 

The manager can have a massive say on the clubs overall spending though, aye. If he has a backbone and kicks up a fuss about a lack of spending, or throws in an ultimatum if his players are sold etc, something that Pardew will never do.

 

He's a yes man.

 

 

I quote "Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. "

 

So yes someone has said that tbh, and I don't think he has any say on players' wages.

None of that is suggesting that he has a say on player wages though, it's suggesting that part of the reason he was hired was to help reduce the clubs operating expenses. Which doesn't necessarily imply that he has a direct say on player wages.

 

I don't see how he can have a contract where he is remunerated for something he doesn't control. I am not in any way disputing that Golfmag was ITK by the way, clearly he was. I just don't think AP controls any of the clubs operating expenses. I don't think debate will resolve it - maybe we have to agree to differ.

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

If the interviews with Kinnear about being offered the job after his heart attack and it being universally laughed at on here, only for him to turn up as our DOF don't make you realise that these people operate on a level that is completely insane and entirely depressing, then you never will.

 

We've been told by a reliable source that part of Pardew's job remit is to recoup money from players, Redknapp has said that we were actively trying to sell Carroll, Carroll has said that he was pushed, Barton and Nolan have described similar scenarios.

 

Pardew talks regularly about how we are vulnerable, as if we can't possibly say no. He's effectively walking through a rough estate with his iphone out screaming 'I HOPE I DON'T GET MUGGED'

 

The writing is on the wall, man. Conspiracy theories? Howeh, you're intelligent people, stop being played for mugs.

 

In that case we'll sell Cabaye for less than £15m before deadline day. If the sole aim is to sell at a profit then even £11m would be a good return.

Nobody has actually said this

 

In the post that I quoted Icarus said "We've been told by a reliable source that part of Pardew's job remit is to recoup money from players"

So as I said, nobody has actually said that

[Hanshithispantz]

 

 

Those golfmag posts get more and more real every window.

 

Any chance of a recap? Saw something in someone's sig but I haven't seen anything else

 

Our London lawyers told us two weeks ago that Pardew was being lined up, to the extend that a draft contract was in place. I can only guess from that they they have prepared it. I refused to believe it but I am not sure all of a sudden...

 

 

When I first found this out, it was when Chris and the team were riding a wave, back in October I think. Pardew's name had bever been mentioned anywhere to my knowledge and I flat didn't believe what I was being told. I, like all of us, am still clinging to the hope that Ashley has had his head turned by Jol's sudden availability. But I do know for a fact that the plan in question has been in place for a long time.

 

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context..

 

 

Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. I think that this fact will influence much of this summer's decisions - ones that seem logical to us and ones that don't.

 

depressing. Was he a credible ITK though?

 

The calling of Pardew makes Golfmag a very credible ITK, probably the best ever. I do find it hard to get hold of the reducing of costs/wages etc. I just don't think he has any say in that. Other than that....

He's the direct link between the players and the board so he has a massive say tbh. It's pretty widely accepted that Hughton was sacked because he was too pally with the players and would stick up for them when needed.

 

He has a massive say on wages that are written into the players contracts? I don't think he has anything like that sort of influence.

Nobody has said that, have they?

 

The manager can have a massive say on the clubs overall spending though, aye. If he has a backbone and kicks up a fuss about a lack of spending, or throws in an ultimatum if his players are sold etc, something that Pardew will never do.

 

He's a yes man.

 

 

I quote "Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. "

 

So yes someone has said that tbh, and I don't think he has any say on players' wages.

None of that is suggesting that he has a say on player wages though, it's suggesting that part of the reason he was hired was to help reduce the clubs operating expenses. Which doesn't necessarily imply that he has a direct say on player wages.

 

I don't see how he can have a contract where he is remunerated for something he doesn't control. I am not in any way disputing that Golfmag was ITK by the way, clearly he was. I just don't think AP controls any of the clubs operating expenses. I don't think debate will resolve it - maybe we have to agree to differ.

 

 

Aye fair enough, I just took it as Pardew's wages (or bonuses) are dependent on the clubs operating expenses, which would give him an incentive to want to move players on for big profit and get rid of any high earners. He's signed a new contract since then so it might be completely irrelevant in any case.

[TRon]

If the interviews with Kinnear about being offered the job after his heart attack and it being universally laughed at on here, only for him to turn up as our DOF don't make you realise that these people operate on a level that is completely insane and entirely depressing, then you never will.

 

We've been told by a reliable source that part of Pardew's job remit is to recoup money from players, Redknapp has said that we were actively trying to sell Carroll, Carroll has said that he was pushed, Barton and Nolan have described similar scenarios.

 

Pardew talks regularly about how we are vulnerable, as if we can't possibly say no. He's effectively walking through a rough estate with his iphone out screaming 'I HOPE I DON'T GET MUGGED'

 

The writing is on the wall, man. Conspiracy theories? Howeh, you're intelligent people, stop being played for mugs.

 

In that case we'll sell Cabaye for less than £15m before deadline day. If the sole aim is to sell at a profit then even £11m would be a good return.

 

Going by that way of thinking, £4,000,000.01p would be profit, but they'll obviously have a set price in mind of his worth. In the past we've almost applauded Ashley and Co on the prices that they've managed to get for players. Dyer, Milner, Carroll being the obvious examples.

 

They were applauded because we naively thought that it would be invested back into buying players that would benefit us, not into buying players that were then slagged around by Pardew at a higher price than they paid for them.

 

But setting high prices on your players sometimes stops them getting sold. We saw that already with the£15m price tag on Tiote and it might prevent a sale of Cabaye as well. That's hardly the actions of a club that's desperate to sell.

[TRon]

If the interviews with Kinnear about being offered the job after his heart attack and it being universally laughed at on here, only for him to turn up as our DOF don't make you realise that these people operate on a level that is completely insane and entirely depressing, then you never will.

 

We've been told by a reliable source that part of Pardew's job remit is to recoup money from players, Redknapp has said that we were actively trying to sell Carroll, Carroll has said that he was pushed, Barton and Nolan have described similar scenarios.

 

Pardew talks regularly about how we are vulnerable, as if we can't possibly say no. He's effectively walking through a rough estate with his iphone out screaming 'I HOPE I DON'T GET MUGGED'

 

The writing is on the wall, man. Conspiracy theories? Howeh, you're intelligent people, stop being played for mugs.

 

In that case we'll sell Cabaye for less than £15m before deadline day. If the sole aim is to sell at a profit then even £11m would be a good return.

Nobody has actually said this

 

In the post that I quoted Icarus said "We've been told by a reliable source that part of Pardew's job remit is to recoup money from players"

So as I said, nobody has actually said that

 

You made a very important distinction there which had real relevance to the discussion. Thanks for the correction.

[Guest bimpy474]

His influence on sales, if he is renumerated by them. Would that not be to get the team playing well, getting players noticed and getting other teams interested. If that's the case he's fucking failed big time. Maybe that's why he's hawking them around in the press conferences because they aren't getting noticed with the football we play. Even the Carroll sale was more down to Hughton that this knacker.

[Jack Flash]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

[Guest bimpy474]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

[jdckelly]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

clubs knew about it either way. Ba's "people" looking for their cut of the transfer would have made sure it was widely known

[Jack Flash]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

[Guest bimpy474]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

clubs knew about it either way. Ba's "people" looking for their cut of the transfer would have made sure it was widely known

 

While true our manager doesn't have to shout it from the rooftops. He could have just said nothing, or we dont want to sell. Not "oh by the way, his clause is still active". Just ridiculous management.

[Hughesy]

As if no-one knew about Ba's clause anyway.  You think agents didn't tell anyone who would listen about it?  Why wouldn't they?  It would be the first thing they said.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Does no one else think that it's weird how the likes of Dalglish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and so on were completely ripped apart by fans on here and fans at matches, yet post-relegation we hear nothing aimed towards Pardew? We were often accused of being deluded about our place in the league and where we 'should' be. You could say that we're still deluded, it's just that the scales have tipped in the other direction.

[Darth Crooks]

He's far more of a hinderance to this club than benefit which is why he should have gone. That said so are those above him; why else would he still be here?

[Hughesy]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

 

Please tell me that you don't actually believe that Ba's agents didn't know about this clause.

[Jack Flash]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

 

Please tell me that you don't actually believe that Ba's agents didn't know about this clause.

 

Obviously not. You're missing the point anyway so you're wasting your time.

[TRon]

Does no one else think that it's weird how the likes of Dalglish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and so on were completely ripped apart by fans on here and fans at matches, yet post-relegation we hear nothing aimed towards Pardew? We were often accused of being deluded about our place in the league and where we 'should' be. You could say that we're still deluded, it's just that the scales have tipped in the other direction.

 

I think the owner absorbs most of the flak, and Pards seems to be regarded as a scapegoat by the fans. Not really his fault seems to be the general consensus.

[Guest bimpy474]

On pure football and performances Pardew should have been sacked times over, he's still manager because of Ashley and Ashley utter lack of common sense or football know how.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

Does no one else think that it's weird how the likes of Dalglish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and so on were completely ripped apart by fans on here and fans at matches, yet post-relegation we hear nothing aimed towards Pardew? We were often accused of being deluded about our place in the league and where we 'should' be. You could say that we're still deluded, it's just that the scales have tipped in the other direction.

 

Ashley takes all the flak now, that deflects away away from Pardew IMO.

 

Doesn't Pardew get hammered all the time?

[TRon]

 

Does no one else think that it's weird how the likes of Dalglish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce and so on were completely ripped apart by fans on here and fans at matches, yet post-relegation we hear nothing aimed towards Pardew? We were often accused of being deluded about our place in the league and where we 'should' be. You could say that we're still deluded, it's just that the scales have tipped in the other direction.

 

Ashley takes all the flak now, that deflects away away from Pardew IMO.

 

Doesn't Pardew get hammered all the time?

 

On here yes. At the ground, no.

[Hughesy]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

 

Please tell me that you don't actually believe that Ba's agents didn't know about this clause.

 

Obviously not. You're missing the point anyway so you're wasting your time.

 

Perhaps you would care to explain your point then?

 

My point is that Pardew 'revealing' the existence of the clause has absolutely no bearing on whether Ba would be sold or not.  Any interested buyer would know about the clause.  You and I may not have known about it, but that is irrelevant.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Ashley doesn't get hammered at SJP either, though. At no point last season did I hear anything aimed at anyone other than the players. There were boos, definitely, but I went to every home match and never heard anything directed towards Pardew or Ashley. Ever.

[mrmojorisin75]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

 

Please tell me that you don't actually believe that Ba's agents didn't know about this clause.

 

Obviously not. You're missing the point anyway so you're wasting your time.

 

Perhaps you would care to explain your point then?

 

My point is that Pardew 'revealing' the existence of the clause has absolutely no bearing on whether Ba would be sold or not.  Any interested buyer would know about the clause.  You and I may not have known about it, but that is irrelevant.

 

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-boss-still-hopeful-on-transfer-front-1-5999217

 

“I did think this window would be difficult – with (Hatem) Ben Arfa, Cabaye or Colo (Fabricio Coloccini) or somebody being interested in one of our players.

 

He loves it

[Jack Flash]

Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said.

 

While we're on the subject 

 

Everything he said there was perfectly fine, but the bolded bit just didn't need saying 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-keep-demba-ba-as-75million-1198658

 

Everyone thought this until Pardew felt the urge to tell us he was still available.

 

Please tell me that you don't actually believe that Ba's agents didn't know about this clause.

 

Obviously not. You're missing the point anyway so you're wasting your time.

 

Perhaps you would care to explain your point then?

 

My point is that Pardew 'revealing' the existence of the clause has absolutely no bearing on whether Ba would be sold or not.  Any interested buyer would know about the clause.  You and I may not have known about it, but that is irrelevant.

 

Of course it has bearing. Most managers would have seen the numerous articles we did and assumed he'd now cost twice the release clause. Pardew saying what he did (for no reason...) would have interested clubs that were no longer interested.

 

Fucking hell.