Alan Pardew

[TRon]

The crowd was absolutely appalling against Hull like. Silent when things are going well, loud when criticising our own players.

 

Were you there, Ian?

 

Yes, terrible atmosphere from the start really.

 

Really was.  Was in the leazes for the 1st time in years, was like a morgue.

 

There was barely a celebration for Remy's second. It was very flat indeed.

 

The goal came from nowhere, otherwise we had lost our way following the opening 20 mins. That might have something to do with it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We aren't the only club who has a shit home atmosphere mind you, it's almost everyone.

[loki679]

Not really surprising that apathy has set in amongst the crowd considering the shit this regime puts us through.

[Guest bimpy474]

Pardew has a better record than Allardyce and Hughton had when they were here before. 

 

With Hughton I think it's like for like. 

 

With Allardyce I Can't imagine anyone that watched his football when he was last here wanting to watch it again.  Aren't West ham and Norwich fans both voicing dissent and wanting rid?

 

I knew Laudrup would get that reaction.  See how he copes with this season in the Europa after having a dig at Pardew, then I'll eat my words.

 

I'll warm it up for ya

 

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[BrettNUFC]

Sorry we should just keep on board with Allardyce when he said he knew if he stopped Newcastle first 20 minutes, the crowd will turn against them. He’s not wrong either, we are awful for it, up there with the worst in the league, we turn up numbers which is great but we don’t turn up and get behind the team as well as we could or should.

 

Utter. f***ing. Bullshit.

 

'Get behind the team' man. f***ing do one man. Laughable.

 

What's laughable? It's the worst atmosphere i've seen at SJP since i started my season ticket 11 year ago. We are lucky to get the whole stadium standing up once for a simple chant like 'stand up if you love the toon', we sprout a couple of regular chants like 'toon toon black and white army' and 'newcastle newcastle newcastle...' and a couple of the fan fave chants like 'hatem ben arfa' and that's it. Literally that's all we do for 90 minutes. If people honestly believe they think the sjp atmosphere is good these days then i'm lost for words because it's atrocious, as bad as the football on show is, our support matches it, like i said nothing against numbers we are still by far one of the best fans in the country for this but in terms of vocal home support we are non-existent. At least we show ourselves in better light away from home but we have always done that but our home support has never been so dull.

 

The point is that the crowd is not the issue at all and if you think not 'getting behind the lads' is the reason and not the reaction to the absolutely s*** that we fork out hundreds of pounds out for the absolute misery of witnessing, then you're a fool.

 

Have a look through my posts, i never once claimed our poor results was due to fans reaction. I simply stated during a post that the atmosphere is awful, and it is. 3-2 down against Hull every misplaced pass was met with moans and groans, everytime Ben Arfa lost possession, groans got louder, this mixed in with people standing up yelling abuse at Pardew, usually Jonas/Shola are on the pitch so they receive a lot of abuse but they escaped it on Saturday. It's a disgrace, that's all im saying. It shouldn't be like that.

 

You're right, it is a disgrace, but a crowd that large shouldn't be put in a position where it has to collectively witness such crap. A season ticket for NUFC has essentially been a very expensive subscription to unbridled misery for the last year and a bit.

 

Well that was all my point was in the first place and everyone lynched me for it. Never said we are to blame for results, simply said it's getting worse and worse and it's a joke.

[Hanshithispantz]

It's all fun and games until some spaghetti letter based tomfoolery kicks off.

[Guest bimpy474]

Pardew has a better record than Allardyce and Hughton had when they were here before. 

 

With Hughton I think it's like for like. 

 

With Allardyce I Can't imagine anyone that watched his football when he was last here wanting to watch it again.  Aren't West ham and Norwich fans both voicing dissent and wanting rid?

 

I knew Laudrup would get that reaction.  See how he copes with this season in the Europa after having a dig at Pardew, then I'll eat my words.

 

Having seen Swansea this season, playing some of the best football I've watched in the premier I think I'd take my chances. But it's a good insight into your thinking and I'm definitely quite happy to be in the opposite camp. Let's revisit this thread at Christmas and see who was right.

 

I don't care how many competitions Swansea will be involved in, to consider they will actually do equally as bad as we did last season or worse would be absurd.

 

Cannot comprehend.

 

It's not just about how they do, it's about the standard of the football. While ours was some of the worst i've seen, Swansea's wont be and will be nice to watch. That'll be the big difference.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Sorry we should just keep on board with Allardyce when he said he knew if he stopped Newcastle first 20 minutes, the crowd will turn against them. He’s not wrong either, we are awful for it, up there with the worst in the league, we turn up numbers which is great but we don’t turn up and get behind the team as well as we could or should.

 

Utter. f***ing. Bullshit.

 

'Get behind the team' man. f***ing do one man. Laughable.

 

What's laughable? It's the worst atmosphere i've seen at SJP since i started my season ticket 11 year ago. We are lucky to get the whole stadium standing up once for a simple chant like 'stand up if you love the toon', we sprout a couple of regular chants like 'toon toon black and white army' and 'newcastle newcastle newcastle...' and a couple of the fan fave chants like 'hatem ben arfa' and that's it. Literally that's all we do for 90 minutes. If people honestly believe they think the sjp atmosphere is good these days then i'm lost for words because it's atrocious, as bad as the football on show is, our support matches it, like i said nothing against numbers we are still by far one of the best fans in the country for this but in terms of vocal home support we are non-existent. At least we show ourselves in better light away from home but we have always done that but our home support has never been so dull.

 

The point is that the crowd is not the issue at all and if you think not 'getting behind the lads' is the reason and not the reaction to the absolutely s*** that we fork out hundreds of pounds out for the absolute misery of witnessing, then you're a fool.

 

Have a look through my posts, i never once claimed our poor results was due to fans reaction. I simply stated during a post that the atmosphere is awful, and it is. 3-2 down against Hull every misplaced pass was met with moans and groans, everytime Ben Arfa lost possession, groans got louder, this mixed in with people standing up yelling abuse at Pardew, usually Jonas/Shola are on the pitch so they receive a lot of abuse but they escaped it on Saturday. It's a disgrace, that's all im saying. It shouldn't be like that.

 

You're right, it is a disgrace, but a crowd that large shouldn't be put in a position where it has to collectively witness such crap. A season ticket for NUFC has essentially been a very expensive subscription to unbridled misery for the last year and a bit.

 

Well that was all my point was in the first place and everyone lynched me for it. Never said we are to blame for results, simply said it's getting worse and worse and it's a joke.

 

Okay. If that's what you meant then I apologise for over-reacting a tad. I still maintain that the place is jumping whenever we put together a decent performance. The Hughton season in particular was carnage at times.

[Guest bimpy474]

It's a combination of Ashley making the stadium look like a bring and buy sale for one of his shops, Pardew and his brand of shit football, and apathy at the whole god damn mess.

 

The atmosphere really is a mash of bad things rolled into one big shit sandwich.

[Happy Face]

I wonder why happy face spends so much time defending Pardew?

 

For someone that claims he doesn't like him and think he should had been sacked.  Very odd.

 

Because i don't cut off my nose to spite my face.  You need to think decisions like that through to their logical conclusion.

 

Would his replacement be an improvement?  Would he get money to spend?  Would he handle Ben Arfa as well? Would he handle the Kinnear situation as well?

 

etc.

 

I don't see why it's too difficult to answer yes to all of those questions if you hire an intelligent manager who hasn't got a huge reputation yet.

 

Like who, man?! I've seen you post this a few times now. Who is Mike Ashley going to employ?

 

I would get Poyet in, I don't know how many times I have to keep saying it. Would Mike Ashley? How the fuck would I know?

 

Poyet hasn't got an ounce of the self restraint Pardew has shown to keep the club on an even keel. Poyet would be shitting on desks and slating the chairman in no time.

 

[alexf]

it wasn't poyet who did the shit

[Guest icemanblue]

It's a combination of Ashley making the stadium look like a bring and buy sale for one of his shops, Pardew and his brand of shit football, and apathy at the whole god damn mess.

 

The atmosphere really is a mash of bad things rolled into one big shit sandwich.

 

How do you know that, bimpy?

[Jack Flash]

When a large section of the crowd are disinterested children and their parents it's no wonder the atmosphere suffers.

 

And that's before we start on how shit Pardew is ffs...bite, my pretties, bite...

[BrettNUFC]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

[TRon]

I wonder why happy face spends so much time defending Pardew?

 

For someone that claims he doesn't like him and think he should had been sacked.  Very odd.

 

Because i don't cut off my nose to spite my face.  You need to think decisions like that through to their logical conclusion.

 

Would his replacement be an improvement?  Would he get money to spend?  Would he handle Ben Arfa as well? Would he handle the Kinnear situation as well?

 

etc.

 

I don't see why it's too difficult to answer yes to all of those questions if you hire an intelligent manager who hasn't got a huge reputation yet.

 

Like who, man?! I've seen you post this a few times now. Who is Mike Ashley going to employ?

 

I would get Poyet in, I don't know how many times I have to keep saying it. Would Mike Ashley? How the fuck would I know?

 

Poyet hasn't got an ounce of the self restraint Pardew has shown to keep the club on an even keel. Poyet would be shitting on desks and slating the chairman in no time.

 

 

Is that a fact? I would have thought the chance to manage a top premier league club and top players would bring some perspective with it as well. I would prefer a manager who had some ambition tbh, rather than a PR merchant like Pardew who will pick up his wages and read from the script.

[Happy Face]

I wonder why happy face spends so much time defending Pardew?

 

For someone that claims he doesn't like him and think he should had been sacked.  Very odd.

 

Because i don't cut off my nose to spite my face.  You need to think decisions like that through to their logical conclusion.

 

Would his replacement be an improvement?  Would he get money to spend?  Would he handle Ben Arfa as well? Would he handle the Kinnear situation as well?

 

etc.

 

I don't see why it's too difficult to answer yes to all of those questions if you hire an intelligent manager who hasn't got a huge reputation yet.

 

Like who, man?! I've seen you post this a few times now. Who is Mike Ashley going to employ?

 

I would get Poyet in, I don't know how many times I have to keep saying it. Would Mike Ashley? How the fuck would I know?

 

Poyet hasn't got an ounce of the self restraint Pardew has shown to keep the club on an even keel. Poyet would be shitting on desks and slating the chairman in no time.

 

 

Is that a fact? I would have thought the chance to manage a top premier league club and top players would bring some perspective with it as well. I would prefer a manager who had some ambition tbh, rather than a PR merchant like Pardew who will pick up his wages and read from the script.

 

Course its not a fact. You don't know how he'd do any more than I do. I just see him in the di canio mould of cock end.

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

 

See, now you're back on to saying what the crowd should be doing again. I take it back, you're talking shite mate.

[Guest bimpy474]

It's a combination of Ashley making the stadium look like a bring and buy sale for one of his shops, Pardew and his brand of shit football, and apathy at the whole god damn mess.

 

The atmosphere really is a mash of bad things rolled into one big shit sandwich.

 

How do you know that, bimpy?

 

From the comments on here and other sites/forums of the people who go. If you look at most comments as a whole, and there are quite a few to build up a picture of the feeling about this. There's a definitely anti Ashley (obviously) feeling, the stadium adorned with Sports Direct everywhere, and the football, especially from the comments on here leans to the apathy comment. There's still no Pardew out movement, which i've noted from many comments of posters on here along the lines of "i cant believe the people around me still back him" "chanting give us wave Pardew " etc. That shows that a fair few fans are just accepting things as they are.

 

I couldn't believe some of the posters on here saying even after the Liverpool and Sunderland defeats, that people were still not blaming Pardew. All told it doesn't give for a great atmsophere. I dont think it'll come back until Ashley rather than Pardew is gone to be honest. He really is the head of the snake.

 

Also i knew why you were asking, admittedly this is a bit of guess work, since the last time i went was nearly two years ago. Actually i've put a nearly £300 quid away to make sure i can come up for a few games this season. Now i have a new car i'm ok with driving up. 600 mile round trip but still. But anyway, you can build a pretty good picture up from the comments of people there, watching on the TV and internet doesn't give you an insight at all really. Obviously the best thing is to be there like.

[Wullie]

Canny rich to expect the crowd to get fully behind a club that basically admits to having no ambition. What exactly are they supposed to be cheering them on to?

 

It has to be give and take and all NUFC want to do is, at best take from the fans, at worst just completely take the piss out of them.

[Wullie]

I knew Laudrup would get that reaction.  See how he copes with this season in the Europa after having a dig at Pardew, then I'll eat my words.

 

You reckon he'll change his footballing philosophy because of a few extra games?

[BrettNUFC]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

 

See, now you're back on to saying what the crowd should be doing again. I take it back, you're talking s**** mate.

 

Ehhhhhh 

 

I've said we don't impact results and we aren't to blame but that's not an excuse just to turn up and create a negative atmosphere which is a disgrace? You agreed to that. Away days don't blame Pards' dross, we still create an excellent atmosphere on that front, so why the SJP has turned into a dark cloud i don't know, but we need to get rid of it.

[TheGuv]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

 

Yup.

 

The club even stopped people relocating to L4 as it was needed for something else? Despite it having the least season ticket holders in the ground.

 

More noise and we'd have been closer to the pitch.

 

Such a cock up.

 

Home games now for a whole host of reasons are beyond shit

[Ronaldo]

It has to be give and take and all NUFC want to do is, at best take from the fans, at worst just completely take the piss out of them.

 

Which is why I'm not going near the place till he's gone.

[Guest firetotheworks]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

 

See, now you're back on to saying what the crowd should be doing again. I take it back, you're talking s**** mate.

 

Ehhhhhh 

 

I've said we don't impact results and we aren't to blame but that's not an excuse just to turn up and create a negative atmosphere which is a disgrace? You agreed to that. Away days don't blame Pards' dross, we still create an excellent atmosphere on that front, so why the SJP has turned into a dark cloud i don't know, but we need to get rid of it.

 

You don't know why SJP has turned into a dark cloud? In terms of the away fans vs home fans you're talking about a difference in tens of thousands of people.

[BrettNUFC]

It is still very good when it gets going, Ben Arfa's goal against Fulham onwards the atmosphere was excellent. I just feel it shouldn't really take somethign special to wake the crowd up, from the moment the first whistle is blown, the crowd should be fully behind the players on show, given them full support but we aren't. I think Ashley is largely to blame for this as well mind you for splitting up the singing section in level 7 in favour for the family enclosure, the away fans used to pick the home crowd up at times but now you just forget that they are actually there.

 

See, now you're back on to saying what the crowd should be doing again. I take it back, you're talking s**** mate.

 

Ehhhhhh 

 

I've said we don't impact results and we aren't to blame but that's not an excuse just to turn up and create a negative atmosphere which is a disgrace? You agreed to that. Away days don't blame Pards' dross, we still create an excellent atmosphere on that front, so why the SJP has turned into a dark cloud i don't know, but we need to get rid of it.

 

You don't know why SJP has turned into a dark cloud? In terms of the away fans vs home fans you're talking about a difference in tens of thousands of people.

 

Only thing i can point to is Ashley splitting the main singing section up, strawberry corner now tries to get other parts of the ground going but even they are falling on deaf ears. Think being beside the East stand massively affects that bunch though, might be a fancy view in the East Stant but they've been s*** year in year out, no excuse for them lot, they've rarely joined in regular chanting at any period. The whole stadium now is worse than it's ever been including the season we went down, the only thing we have actually got better at is the fact there hasn't been any negative Pardew chanting, we've actually improved in that aspect of things...strangely.

 

Agree about the difference between home and away, was just making it clear Pardew’s dross football isn’t to blame why SJP has got worse, there’s been worse football on offer and had better atmosphere’s than now.