DJ_NUFC Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. To be fair, it's easy for Mourinho to be magnanimous in defeat and all that stuff, he's an established success who is bigger than the club he works for and any of his players. I agree his attitude is good, but he spouts a fair bit of nonsense as well. I was looking more at the philosophy of when they're winning. He stressed that he reminds his players each time they win WHY they won. Pardew will change the fucking formation as soon as we went a goal down next game, regardless of the previous game's result. We've seen this. Spineless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The contrast between the two managers is highlighted exceptionally well in that piece. Theirs believes in facing truths and reality when they lose and win, regardless of the result, ours believes in fairies and magic. Unbelievable. To be fair, it's easy for Mourinho to be magnanimous in defeat and all that stuff, he's an established success who is bigger than the club he works for and any of his players. I agree his attitude is good, but he spouts a fair bit of nonsense as well. I was looking more at the philosophy of when they're winning. He stressed that he reminds his players each time they win WHY they won. Pardew will change the fucking formation as soon as we went a goal down next game, regardless of the previous game's result. We've seen this. Spineless. Ah right, get'cha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Mick, how many teams have you seen dominate Chelsea recently? Why do you think we should have or should have played better than just last 20 (even though that's laughable). How long did Everton play well against them in their 1-0 win at home to them, I'm curious to your logic of what deems a team to have played well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 There's no way we were lucky on Saturday like. You can't possibly say "we were lucky that Chelsea were absolute turd", that's not luck anymore than to say after a hopeless defeat "we were unlucky today that we were utter garbage". You can't have it both ways. I didn't think we were good (in the first half, we were very poor and conceded possession almost instantly every time we had it) but with the talent they had out, they were worse, did absolutely nothing with the ball, and we showed far more in the last twenty than they did in the entire game. We fully deserved to win the game, but not because we were superb, and not because we were lucky, we were just better than an atrocious (on the day) Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Mick, how many teams have you seen dominate Chelsea recently? Why do you think we should have or should have played better than just last 20 (even though that's laughable). How long did Everton play well against them in their 1-0 win at home to them, I'm curious to your logic of what deems a team to have played well. I haven't watched Chelsea much so I can't comment on how many teams have dominated them or not or how well Everton played against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 There's no way we were lucky on Saturday like. You can't possibly say "we were lucky that Chelsea were absolute turd", that's not luck anymore than to say after a hopeless defeat "we were unlucky today that we were utter garbage". You can't have it both ways. I didn't think we were good (in the first half, we were very poor and conceded possession almost instantly every time we had it) but with the talent they had out, they were worse, did absolutely nothing with the ball, and we showed far more in the last twenty than they did in the entire game. We fully deserved to win the game, but not because we were superb, and not because we were lucky, we were just better than an atrocious (on the day) Chelsea. agree with most of this, I do, however, think we played well second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 There's no way we were lucky on Saturday like. You can't possibly say "we were lucky that Chelsea were absolute turd", that's not luck anymore than to say after a hopeless defeat "we were unlucky today that we were utter garbage". You can't have it both ways. I didn't think we were good (in the first half, we were very poor and conceded possession almost instantly every time we had it) but with the talent they had out, they were worse, did absolutely nothing with the ball, and we showed far more in the last twenty than they did in the entire game. We fully deserved to win the game, but not because we were superb, and not because we were lucky, we were just better than an atrocious (on the day) Chelsea. We were lucky in as much as we hardly tried anything during the first half and Chelsea were poor. I doubt our negative first half would pay off very often against them and that is down to luck. I will be very surprised to find out that they'd had more possession in a game than they had against us without coming out of it with 3 points. In the end we deserved to win because of what we did in the last 20 minutes or so when we were excellent. You can be unlucky not to win, that wouldn't be the case if we were utter garbage though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 There's no way we were lucky on Saturday like. You can't possibly say "we were lucky that Chelsea were absolute turd", that's not luck anymore than to say after a hopeless defeat "we were unlucky today that we were utter garbage". You can't have it both ways. I didn't think we were good (in the first half, we were very poor and conceded possession almost instantly every time we had it) but with the talent they had out, they were worse, did absolutely nothing with the ball, and we showed far more in the last twenty than they did in the entire game. We fully deserved to win the game, but not because we were superb, and not because we were lucky, we were just better than an atrocious (on the day) Chelsea. agree with most of this, I do, however, think we played well second half. Aye there was one moment midway through that suddenly lifted the crowd and it was like a black cloud lifting (literally and metaphorically!), from then on, we dominated proceedings, can't remember what it was, maybe Shola's stroll through their defence to go practically clean through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think we played our part in making Chelsea look bad as well. Although obviously they didn't play to their potential, if they do that you'll never beat them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 We thoroughly deserved to beat them like for me. Contained them and their pressure. Got a little bit of luck when Terry hit the bar but other than that we did virtually everything right and wanted it more than Chelsea. When Shola broke through a new found belief came and as a result we attacked and won the game. The crowd was pissing me off first half, we would keep the ball and they would complain, we would pump it long and they would complain, FFS it's Chelsea t home and we have just been beat in the cup and away at the unwashed, just relax. Pardew got it spot on on saturday and deserves credit for that, despite what we all think of him as a puppet / average manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 FFS why does it have to be that Chelsea were bad and we were lucky. We made them look bad and certainly weren't lucky. We have enough shit to deal with without trying to take away the one shining light among the multitude of turds. While there's merit in saying playing like we did in the first half was a bit lucky. We defend well and before we scored we could have scored two. Sod looking for reasons why we shouldn't have won. We fucking did and I enjoyed wind milling around my lounge. We were the better team and deserved to win over the 90 minutes. For fuck sake just enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Thought for the 1st 20-25 mins we were quite lucky tbh. Then we got to grips with it better, actually offering something going forward. 2nd half we certainly weren't lucky, we were better than them. Simples! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 FFS why does it have to be that Chelsea were bad and we were lucky. We made them look bad and certainly weren't lucky. We have enough s*** to deal with without trying to take away the one shining light among the multitude of turds. While there's merit in saying playing like we did in the first half was a bit lucky. We defend well and before we scored we could have scored two. Sod looking for reason why we shouldn't have won. We f***ing did and I enjoyed wind milling around my lounge. We were the better team and deserved to win over the 90 minutes. For f*** sake just enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 We weren't lucky, by and large, we made them look turd. Bar Mata, their lineup lent itself to games where there's more space, we shut down a lot of it and they didn't have the movement or creativity to break us down. There was an element of risk to it but there is with every strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I think we played our part in making Chelsea look bad as well. Although obviously they didn't play to their potential, if they do that you'll never beat them. Without a doubt. Like i've mentioned previously, even when not at their best, Chelsea can still win comfortably if the opposition isn't well drilled and organised, we were. It's credit to us for being so. I said before Chelsea's game, us fans have a habit of playing down our good performances in favour of saying the opposition didn't turn up if they are poor. It was the same for Liverpool when Suarez/Sturridge arrived, a week later they ripped West Brom to shreds. Even Man City midweek just got the excuse of their players weren't bothered and didn't look up for it. We should be crediting our players for making them 3 sides look like that, understand if it was a one off performance but that's three very good teams and none of them have had an easy ride against us. We could have easily taken a bit of a battering off at least one of them but the players didn’t let that happen and give it their all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don't even think Terry's header was "lucky" - he was at or above crossbar height when he struck it, it curved upwards and hit the top half of the crossbar. It never looked like going in. Now, the Santon penalty - that was lucky. And Hazard's daisycutter too because, even though it was going wide, there was a chance of it being deflected in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 strange world, the only people saying we were lucky are a bunch of newcastle fans. the nations press, the mackems I know who watched it, the chelsea fans we spoke to afterwards, even educated bees all thought we deserved it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 There's no way we were lucky on Saturday like. You can't possibly say "we were lucky that Chelsea were absolute turd", that's not luck anymore than to say after a hopeless defeat "we were unlucky today that we were utter garbage". You can't have it both ways. I didn't think we were good (in the first half, we were very poor and conceded possession almost instantly every time we had it) but with the talent they had out, they were worse, did absolutely nothing with the ball, and we showed far more in the last twenty than they did in the entire game. We fully deserved to win the game, but not because we were superb, and not because we were lucky, we were just better than an atrocious (on the day) Chelsea. We were lucky in as much as we hardly tried anything during the first half and Chelsea were poor. I doubt our negative first half would pay off very often against them and that is down to luck. I will be very surprised to find out that they'd had more possession in a game than they had against us without coming out of it with 3 points. In the end we deserved to win because of what we did in the last 20 minutes or so when we were excellent. You can be unlucky not to win, that wouldn't be the case if we were utter garbage though. We didn't try much in the first half, but against them I was just happy not to be 2-0 down inside 20 mins. They have a lot of players who can hurt us, and we made sure they didn't. The first half wasn't pretty, but we closed down the space well and stopped them getting at us. Then in the second half we went for it and played some pretty good football tbf. We were well organised with a good game plan for 90 mins. If Pards could do that more often I wouldn't have any complaints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 strange world, the only people saying we were lucky are a bunch of newcastle fans. the nations press, the mackems I know who watched it, the chelsea fans we spoke to afterwards, even educated bees all thought we deserved it. Pardaganda. He tells us we are lucky to win games so we don't expect to win more than 1 in 4. We're also unlucky when we lose because it can't possibly be his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I need to stop clicking 'show me the post' when Jack pops up. Can't help myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I need to stop clicking 'show me the post' when Jack pops up. Can't help myself. Just put on the kettle myself, going to have a cup of tea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Newcastle 0-2 Manchester City: Pardew blames cup exit on bad luck http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24752472 Pardew: Newcastle were unlucky http://www.touchlinetalk.com/pardew-newcastle-unlucky/71188/ And a classic... Newcastle's indifferent form due to 'misfortune' says Alan Pardew http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/14/alan-pardew-newcastle?CMP=twt_gu There'll be more but sadly I'm busy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 That's great and all, Jack. But, I don't think I've seen him say we were lucky to win against Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Pardaganda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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