Alan Pardew

[Hanshithispantz]

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

 

The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas...

 

Fair point.

 

But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know.

 

Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club.

 

 

 

 

Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying.

You're just creating extra conditions in an attempt to weasel out of a couple of utterly moronic comments. I'm not going to sit and read old debates in the effort to keep satisfying these conditions, the fact I searched that out was bad enough

 

As Dave said the Moyes argument has been used, as has the Alex Ferguson argument, if you have missed these then fair enough, they have definitely happened though. Of course those people probably didn't really want Pardew to stay like, they were just resigned to it.

 

 

It's not a new condition. I said nobody has said they wanted Pardew to remain manager for reasons of stability right from the offset. You proved somebody used the word stability though, good on you.

You strawmanned me to fuck to be fair

 

You turned "[stability is] the only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew [and] it has came from posters on here" into "[posters have] claimed they want him to remain our manager, [and] for stability reasons".

 

I was a victim of being too hasty in my effort to be a clever cunt and looked over that it fits seamlessly with my original point though.

[Unbelievable]

lets not underestimate Ashley too much, maybe he is currently searching for the right man to replace him.

 

he replaced CH when no one expected it.. well ok with someone not much better but i assume he was under the impression that Pardew was an improvement.

 

 

 

 

Better at what? Managing the team or not questionning his authority?

[littlelunchbox]

lets not underestimate Ashley too much, maybe he is currently searching for the right man to replace him.

 

he replaced CH when no one expected it.. well ok with someone not much better but i assume he was under the impression that Pardew was an improvement.

 

 

 

 

Better at what? Managing the team or not questionning his authority?

 

can't he have both?  if he finds a new manager.

[Wullie]

Laudrup's never stayed in a job long enough for the honeymoon to end.

So basically "stability" only counts when it suites the argument.

 

 

 

 

Which argument is this?

The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew.

 

The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season.

 

The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter.

It has came from posters on here though.

 

If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man.

 

Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad.

 

Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest?

I honestly cannot be arsed to look back and check usernames and any educated guesses would be unfair, but considering the debate was all about stability a week or so ago I know a few were spouting it.

 

Again though if stability isn't part of the argument for keeping him in charge then that's another pretty massive reason why he shouldn't be.

 

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

You're not serious?

 

EDIT: Hans has already pointed out that you're talking shit.

[Spudil]

I wasn't sure if he was a WUM but I think he's serious based on how much he's posting

[Guest Dontooner]

Personally I'm convinced we can do better than Pardew. However, I don't trust Ashley to get the appointment right at all. Neither do I believe he will want to change manager at this time.

Good day at the forum , being busy at work.

 

"Unbelievable', i read your post earlier on the managers we employed since Ashley bought over the club.

I see the concerns of his track record but i think Ashley is pretty new in football as well.

I would also like to believe after a steep learning curve, he would be able to make better judgements footballing wise.

I still see Ashley as a beginner learning the ropes of owning a club and making it better.

Don't like Ashley Personally but i think he will try to appoint better if he did decide to sack Pardew...

Still hopeful on my part. 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII),  Kinnear, Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

 

I guarantee Allardyce will have a better career than Pardew. He already has to date.

[Guest bimpy474]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII),  Kinnear, Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

 

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[Guest Dontooner]

Coined "Hoofed and Cross Pardew" ridiculing his preference style of play from last year(When we were 5th).

Watch every game like many others including the last 12, can't say i realize there were less long balls. However the overall play is still generally the same, we like to spread the ball to the wings and make punted crosses, hopeful long balls to the forwards form Cabaye or others or our best tactic pass the ball to HBA or Marv and hope for magic.

 

How about we debate how well we have been keeping possession, and the lack of threat from opening teams through movement and passing.

 

A good manager doesn't rely on a few key players to survive the league, i will say it with confidence that if HBA and Colo weren't involved this season we would have been relegated.

 

We have players that rely on instructions to play better and Players ( HBA,COLO) that doesn't need them as much.

The team directionless is mainly due to poor instructions, if we had a manager that is better in routines and coaching it would not come as an surprise to me that the players we have at our disposal will look much better. Be it Martinez that some rate him lower than Pardew, but the fact that the players we have, do not suit our current simple style.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

I say give him longer, mostly because he is the closest any manager got to being a good manager for us over the past 8 years.

 

He is a damn lot better than Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan (MkII),  Kinnear, Shearer, and a little bit better than Hughton.

 

Who are these alternatives? Other PL managers that haven't amounted to anything? The next Jacques Santini? Or someone altogether unproven?

 

It has been a bad season, but the grass isn't always greener.

 

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[Unbelievable]

Laudrup's never stayed in a job long enough for the honeymoon to end.

So basically "stability" only counts when it suites the argument.

 

 

 

 

Which argument is this?

The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew.

 

The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season.

 

The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter.

It has came from posters on here though.

 

If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man.

 

Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad.

 

Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest?

I honestly cannot be arsed to look back and check usernames and any educated guesses would be unfair, but considering the debate was all about stability a week or so ago I know a few were spouting it.

 

Again though if stability isn't part of the argument for keeping him in charge then that's another pretty massive reason why he shouldn't be.

 

You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

 

You're not serious?

 

EDIT: Hans has already pointed out that you're talking s***.

 

Err

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Our only hope of Pardew getting the sack is if he confronts Ashley or challenges him on how the club is ran which is how Keegan and Hughton both fell foul to the powers that be. KK famously for not accepting having players brought in behind his back and Hughton for siding with the players over bonuses and other political disputes.

 

I'm sure Pardew would love more of a say when it comes to player recruitment and should there be this much talked about end of season review perhaps he will go into it laying some of or most of the blame for our season at the lack of investment in the summer and his minority role in player recruitment.

 

If he goes into the meeting demanding this or that player or this or that certain type of player, Ashley after investing so much in January may well tell him to do one. Or he may well listen and agree to sign some of the players Pardew would clearly like, namely someone like Andy Carroll if not Carroll himself.

 

If that is to be the case I'm all for it because I do feel we would do better and with it Pardew too, with a team that is better suited to how the manager wants us to play and the tactics he prefers, which our current squad with the exception of a few, simply aren't suited to.

 

Being sensible (I know...) for a moment, as much as I'd like to see him peddled and regard him as one of if not the worst manager in the league, we cannot afford to simply get in just anyone because they are not Pardew. His replacement must be someone who can get the very best out of the squad and develop a brand of football that sits easy with everyone concerned, most importantly the fans.

 

I'm resigned to him being here at the start of the new season though

[Varadi]

3 months until next season.

 

This is going to be the longest, worst thread in the history of all forums.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Who are the alternatives? Such a weak argument, okay we have:

 

René Girard- Won French league with Montpellier HSC against the likes of PSG, will intergrate well with French, is desperate to work in the Premier league, has specifically stated he loves projects, relatively cheap wages, is leaving Montpellier at the end of the season so will be free.

 

Christian Gourcuff- considered in France as a shrewd tactician with a strong commitment to attacking football and an eye for young talent.

 

Gus Poyet- Young, ambitious, cheap, available if the right buttons are pushed, good footballing philosophy, can work with youngster, has a good record.

 

Rudi Garcia- Won the double with Lille, great football philosophy, worked with quite a few of ours players already such as Cabaye and Debuchy, rumoured to be leaving at the end of the season, exceptional with youth, won manager of the year, probably reasonably cheap.

 

Murat Yakin- Slightly more unproven then the others but built a great attacking FC Basel side, young and ambitious maybe worth a punt.

 

Philippe Montainer- Had Real Sociedad challenging for the Champions League, tactically sound, likes to intergrate youth, works well with small transfer budget.

 

Less realisitic but still options if Ashley wants to show ambition

 

Benitez- we already know all about.

 

Martinez- we already know all about.

 

So this there are no other options argument is ridiculous, all you have to do is change the channel and watch some other top leagues and its obvious there is a legion of young ambitious managers who would jump at the opportunity to manager a Premier League team.

[Unbelievable]

Good list. Shame we only do English managers.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Who are the alternatives? Such a weak argument, okay we have:

 

René Girard- Won French league with Montpellier HSC against the likes of PSG, will intergrate well with French, is desperate to work in the Premier league, has specifically stated he loves projects, relatively cheap wages, is leaving Montpellier at the end of the season so will be free.

 

Christian Gourcuff- considered in France as a shrewd tactician with a strong commitment to attacking football and an eye for young talent.

 

Gus Poyet- Young, ambitious, cheap, available if the right buttons are pushed, good footballing philosophy, can work with youngster, has a good record.

 

Rudi Garcia- Won the double with Lille, great football philosophy, worked with quite a few of ours players already such as Cabaye and Debuchy, rumoured to be leaving at the end of the season, exceptional with youth, won manager of the year, probably reasonably cheap.

 

Murat Yakin- Slightly more unproven then the others but built a great attacking FC Basel side, young and ambitious maybe worth a punt.

 

Philippe Montainer- Had Real Sociedad challenging for the Champions League, tactically sound, likes to intergrate youth, works well with small transfer budget.

 

Less realisitic but still options if Ashley wants to show ambition

 

Benitez- we already know all about.

 

Martinez- we already know all about.

 

So this there are no other options argument is ridiculous, all you have to do is change the channel and watch some other top leagues and its obvious there is a legion of young ambitious managers who would jump at the opportunity to manager a Premier League team.

 

Good post but its highly unlikely that A) Pardew will be sacked and that B) Ashley and co will have heard of any of them never mind actually look to appoint any of them.

 

Its either Pardew or someone of his ilk, i.e. cheap, out of a job, British and a bit of a yes man.

 

The powers that be have no real ambition for NUFC because ambition requires significant investment and risk taking. They have even stated publicly that a top 10 finish is a target and anything else over and above a bonus. That's the way things will always be under Ashley. We may finish 5th once or twice or qualify for Europe the odd time but that will be the bonus aspect rather than the real target of the club.

 

Thankfully, Ashley is on an exit trajectory. Although that could take another 10 years to materialise...

 

 

[Guest TheGreatBeardo]

I am far more pro Pardew than most on here, but to not even try to get Benitez would be to reach amazing levels of stupidity. Benitez wants to stay in england, he isn't going to be at Chelsea next season, or Man U, City, Arsenal or Spurs. If we decided to replace Pardew we would essentially only be competing against Everton and teams from countries the guy doesn't want to manage in. Even if we had just had a relatively decent season, the prospect of getting a manger with a CV like Benitez's should be enough to prompt a change in manager. After the season we have just endured it's a no brainer.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Benitez is high maintenance and therefore not an option, sadly.

 

He would guarantee a trophy in my opinion. Not instantly of course but give him a project of say 5 years and we would pick up a Cup win somewhere down that line.

[littlelunchbox]

Coined "Hoofed and Cross Pardew" ridiculing his preference style of play from last year(When we were 5th).

Watch every game like many others including the last 12, can't say i realize there were less long balls. However the overall play is still generally the same, we like to spread the ball to the wings and make punted crosses, hopeful long balls to the forwards form Cabaye or others or our best tactic pass the ball to HBA or Marv and hope for magic.

 

How about we debate how well we have been keeping possession, and the lack of threat from opening teams through movement and passing.

 

A good manager doesn't rely on a few key players to survive the league, i will say it with confidence that if HBA and Colo weren't involved this season we would have been relegated.

 

We have players that rely on instructions to play better and Players ( HBA,COLO) that doesn't need them as much.

The team directionless is mainly due to poor instructions, if we had a manager that is better in routines and coaching it would not come as an surprise to me that the players we have at our disposal will look much better. Be it Martinez that some rate him lower than Pardew, but the fact that the players we have do not suit our current simple style.

 

there is one thing i agree with the likes of Happyface, we have played less long balls in the last 3rd of the season.

 

but less long balls has not changed the overall performance of the team, we still receive the ball and look absolutely clueless with it, no one allowed/willing to make space by doing runs off the ball. 

 

Still same old same old, players all staying in the pockets resulting in the same old bullshit being on the back foot.  Even more shockingly the performance of the team has digressed even more after cutting out some of our long balls.

 

if certain posters wants to get angry with others over labeling Pardew a stubborn dimensional long ball merchant fair enough, but that dont take away the facts that the performance is looking worse and worse even with the additional of many new players , less long balls, not travelling to mars, not in europe, less games in one week etc etc

 

if anything it shows this fraud has only one way of making his team play with any sort of sustainability and that is his own trusted signature booting it long, being on the back foot football, and if he tries to or forced to change things that then ultimately leads to his team looking even more rudimentary and completely clueless. 

[Guest Dontooner]

The standard of Managers and Young Managers are sweeping through the game.

I don't believe there was ever a time in football where there are so many options to go for, especially the possession type of managers...

 

Soon enough the Dinosaur managers like O Niel would be extinct from the League.

I would like to think Pardew is one of them apart from his trying to be hip nature.

We would be one of the last teams in the 20 to replace them. Top of my mind Sam, Pulls, Pardew the old school English football pioneers. With a team like ours that fields only a few English players.........It might be time for a continental change i hope.

[Mattoon]

I am far more pro Pardew than most on here, but to not even try to get Benitez would be to reach amazing levels of stupidity. Benitez wants to stay in england, he isn't going to be at Chelsea next season, or Man U, City, Arsenal or Spurs. If we decided to replace Pardew we would essentially only be competing against Everton and teams from countries the guy doesn't want to manage in. Even if we had just had a relatively decent season, the prospect of getting a manger with a CV like Benitez's should be enough to prompt a change in manager. After the season we have just endured it's a no brainer.

 

[Guest Dontooner]

Good list. Shame we only do English managers.

Give Ashley a Chance he has been in the game for 4 years. He learning the ropes.

Logically he has little to loose , he has the recruiting under control , the wages and the profits.

All he needs is a muppet which could make the team play good football and stay our of his ass.

Doesn't seem that hard compared to when he first bought the club..

[Mattoon]

The standard of Managers and Young Managers are sweeping through the game.

I don't believe there was ever a time in football where there are so many options to go for, especially the possession type of managers...

 

Soon enough the Dinosaur managers like O Niel would be extincted from the League.

I would like to think Pardew is one of them apart from his trying to be hip nature.

We would be one of the last teams in the 20 to replace them. Top of my mind Sam, Pulls, Pardew , old school English football. With a team like ours with few English players not like when we got relegated.........Its time for a continental one finally i hope.

 

I can guarantee that Pardew, should he lose his job with us, will never manage a team in the premiership again, maybe even the league. Who would want/take him? He was the managerial equivalent of a lepar when we took him. That should tell you enough about his quality!

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Its painful just how far behind the times we are as a nation when it comes to our football managers and their abilities or rather lack of. The fact that the likes of MON are still considered top managers is laughable. We don't just need to overhaul the grassroots game but the coaching and managerial side too.

 

Sadly there are young lads in grassroots youth football doing amazing things who will never ever get beyond managing a team of non professional 18 year olds because they themselves have never played the game at a pro or semi-pro level.

 

There is no philosophy to football in England unlike on the continent. We look at endeavor, spirit, physicality and sadly now statistics as key components of the game when in reality they bare no real significance at all.

[littlelunchbox]

I am far more pro Pardew than most on here, but to not even try to get Benitez would be to reach amazing levels of stupidity. Benitez wants to stay in england, he isn't going to be at Chelsea next season, or Man U, City, Arsenal or Spurs. If we decided to replace Pardew we would essentially only be competing against Everton and teams from countries the guy doesn't want to manage in. Even if we had just had a relatively decent season, the prospect of getting a manger with a CV like Benitez's should be enough to prompt a change in manager. After the season we have just endured it's a no brainer.

 

 

it is true beni wants to stay in england, it showed after he left lfc that he waited a year and a half until chelsea came up,  but us trying for him would be a waste of time, he can wait another 18 months for a top job in england but he certainly wont wait on nufc even if the job becomes available tomorrow, spurs perhaps one day?