Dave Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 We're not doing a Leeds but we do have the next Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. ? What is your question? If Moyes turned up here from Preston, got Newcastle their worst ever points tally and finished 17th, would this board not be in meltdown saying he's out of his depth and needs sacked? Personally i believe they wouldn't have give him a chance in hell to turn things around. Besides league position, you are ignoring all (every.single) factor that would determine whether or not this board would be in "meltdown". No i'm not, lowest ever points tally in the history of the club and a 17th place finish for a new young manager would certainly be getting labelled out of his depth and time to move on. Btw that wasn't the only time sections of Everton fans wanted him gone, their was other times too but the board did excellent to keep the faith in him and now he's managing the biggest club in the country. This is not me saying Pardew can be the next Moyes, i just think it's one bad season and we should be judging on this season to see if this side can bounce back, Everton and Moyes did, so can we. When they finished 17th which of their players should have been in a top 8 team? Also, what were the finances like? What was their recruitment policy? Ask Neil for that detail, all i know is regardless of that, he was 7th to 17th and our fans would have turned on him like savaged dogs because that's what we do. Pardew finished 5th and slumps to 16th and the whole city wants him crucified without even a shot of redemption. He's had half a season finished 12th, then up to 5th and now back down to 16th, ok we are at our lowest position under him but at least give him the chance to redeem himself, with the players at his disposal he can still make this work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Doesn't miss a trick: ‘We get criticised a lot for perhaps not overspending and not perhaps being a little bit more ambitious in terms of our signings. But you can look at those other situations where it has not gone well and Leeds are an example of that unfortunately.” taken from The Mag There is no middle ground with them...always pull out extremes. The jounos should be msking this bullshiters life much harder. They just let him spout off with no challenge. Everton arent loaded but always bring players in, they never break themselves and have had really tight financial moments but still invest. Bullshitter is bullshitting again. You can't blame him for bullshitting really. The main difference between us and Everton is that they would never hire a clapped out flop as a manager in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I would imagine savaged dogs are pretty subdued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Not overspending doesn't bother me so much, although you usually have to spend money to make money, it's the fact that we do absolutely nothing to try and improve the club and build it. The Everton badge thing is a strange one, but at least they have a vision of improving the clubs image globally and want to progress. We couldn't give a fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 We're not doing a Leeds but we do have the next Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I would imagine savaged dogs are pretty subdued. We would have mauled Moyes' face off with his early record, no time for patience and kindness around here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Moyes bought his own players, blowing the whole idea of a comparison out of the water. How would you expect Pardew to improve unless he either buys his own players or Graham Carr starts buying the kind of junk he wants to work with? We buy attacking players for a negative manager and don't look likely to stop doing so, an issue Moyes never had to compete with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. ? What is your question? If Moyes turned up here from Preston, got Newcastle their worst ever points tally and finished 17th, would this board not be in meltdown saying he's out of his depth and needs sacked? Personally i believe they wouldn't have give him a chance in hell to turn things around. Besides league position, you are ignoring all (every.single) factor that would determine whether or not this board would be in "meltdown". No i'm not, lowest ever points tally in the history of the club and a 17th place finish for a new young manager would certainly be getting labelled out of his depth and time to move on. Btw that wasn't the only time sections of Everton fans wanted him gone, their was other times too but the board did excellent to keep the faith in him and now he's managing the biggest club in the country. This is not me saying Pardew can be the next Moyes, i just think it's one bad season and we should be judging on this season to see if this side can bounce back, Everton and Moyes did, so can we. When they finished 17th which of their players should have been in a top 8 team? Also, what were the finances like? What was their recruitment policy? Ask Neil for that detail, all i know is regardless of that, he was 7th to 17th and our fans would have turned on him like savaged dogs because that's what we do. Pardew finished 5th and slumps to 16th and the whole city wants him crucified without even a shot of redemption. He's had half a season finished 12th, then up to 5th and now back down to 16th, ok we are at our lowest position under him but at least give him the chance to redeem himself, with the players at his disposal he can still make this work. He went from 5th to 16th which is even worse and SJP hasn't turned on him at all so you're talking complete and total bollox. With all due respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. Fuck off would you lot have done. We've been here a million times, Moyes had a better record and a worse squad. You fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 We haven't turned on him, have you read this board, there's a handful of people who are actually behind him this season to do well. I’ve always said the best thing about our supporters at SJP at the minute is the fact they don’t sing Pardew out songs. You just get the idiots who think it’s fine to turn up and yel abuse at him because they’ve paid their money so it’s acceptable to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 We haven't turned on him, have you read this board, there's a handful of people who are actually behind him this season to do well. I’ve always said the best thing about our supporters at SJP at the minute is the fact they don’t sing Pardew out songs. You just get the idiots who think it’s fine to turn up and yel abuse at him because they’ve paid their money so it’s acceptable to do that. Or the complete idiots that sing his name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. We've been here a million times, Moyes had a better record and a worse squad. You f*** off. It's fickle to believe that you would have accepted it and backed him to stay after the lowest points tally and a 17th place, god dam even i would have wanted him out. I would admit that, i've been very judgemental in the past with wanting managers out. I was one of those who thought Bobby’s time was up, I’m ashamed to admit it now but I was. If Moyes had of arrived and had that kind of season, I’d have been saying sack him and get someone ‘class’ in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think it's acceptable to yell abuse at him because he's utterly fucking shit at his job and has been responsible for a few of the worst days I've experienced as a fan of NUFC. What I've paid is irrelevant, I'd much rather do it for free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think it's acceptable to yell abuse at him because he's utterly f***ing s*** at his job and has been responsible for a few of the worst days I've experienced as a fan of NUFC. What I've paid is irrelevant, I'd much rather do it for free. I've never understood the view to boo your own players off the pitch. I'm sure a lot of fans thought this and it was kind of only on the extreme days the boo boys would come out but now it's like just accepted to boo every time a poor show or defeat takes place. Madness, does nobody any favours. Understand the odd frustrations standing up yelling at a couple of players now and then to buck their ideas up but some of the shit Pardew/Jonas/Tiote get is just ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Were you replying to me there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. We've been here a million times, Moyes had a better record and a worse squad. You f*** off. It's fickle to believe that you would have accepted it and backed him to stay after the lowest points tally and a 17th place, god dam even i would have wanted him out. I would admit that, i've been very judgemental in the past with wanting managers out. I was one of those who thought Bobby’s time was up, I’m ashamed to admit it now but I was. If Moyes had of arrived and had that kind of season, I’d have been saying sack him and get someone ‘class’ in. I thought Bobby was done as well, I'm happy to admit it. I can't say whether I would have wanted Moyes out, I can say that I would have looked at the evidence before I made my decision though, at the squad, and at his past record. Both of those things would have reflected better on him than they do on Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think it's acceptable to yell abuse at him because he's utterly f***ing s*** at his job and has been responsible for a few of the worst days I've experienced as a fan of NUFC. What I've paid is irrelevant, I'd much rather do it for free. I've never understood the view to boo your own players off the pitch. I'm sure a lot of fans thought this and it was kind of only on the extreme days the boo boys would come out but now it's like just accepted to boo every time a poor show or defeat takes place. Madness, does nobody any favours. Understand the odd frustrations standing up yelling at a couple of players now and then to buck their ideas up but some of the shit Pardew/Jonas/Tiote get is just ridiculous. I've never booed because it's pantomime stuff, I was trying my best to get people to stop booing during the Allardyce time. I reserve my right to shout anything I want at a player/manager though, as long as it's not racist or homophobic or any of that stuff that's clearly too far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. We've been here a million times, Moyes had a better record and a worse squad. You f*** off. It's fickle to believe that you would have accepted it and backed him to stay after the lowest points tally and a 17th place, god dam even i would have wanted him out. I would admit that, i've been very judgemental in the past with wanting managers out. I was one of those who thought Bobby’s time was up, I’m ashamed to admit it now but I was. If Moyes had of arrived and had that kind of season, I’d have been saying sack him and get someone ‘class’ in. I don't know why you think everyone is so shallow to look only at finishing positions in the league table. That can be affected by injuries, budget and a whole host of other things. I don't rate Pardew because his teams play football without any shape or direction, and generally by the end of most games the bloke in the other dugout has got his number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Were you replying to me there? Were you replying to me there? I think it's acceptable to yell abuse at him because he's utterly f***ing s*** at his job and has been responsible for a few of the worst days I've experienced as a fan of NUFC. What I've paid is irrelevant, I'd much rather do it for free. I've never understood the view to boo your own players off the pitch. I'm sure a lot of fans thought this and it was kind of only on the extreme days the boo boys would come out but now it's like just accepted to boo every time a poor show or defeat takes place. Madness, does nobody any favours. Understand the odd frustrations standing up yelling at a couple of players now and then to buck their ideas up but some of the s*** Pardew/Jonas/Tiote get is just ridiculous. Bold part i was, first part just vented fury straight off as the boo boys entered my mind as i was about type about the people who stand up give out abuse to players/manager every week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So people telling me that they would have stuck by Moyes when he accumulated Everton's worst ever points tally and finished 17th. f*** off would you lot have done. We've been here a million times, Moyes had a better record and a worse squad. You f*** off. It's fickle to believe that you would have accepted it and backed him to stay after the lowest points tally and a 17th place, god dam even i would have wanted him out. I would admit that, i've been very judgemental in the past with wanting managers out. I was one of those who thought Bobby’s time was up, I’m ashamed to admit it now but I was. If Moyes had of arrived and had that kind of season, I’d have been saying sack him and get someone ‘class’ in. I don't know why you think everyone is so shallow to look only at finishing positions in the league table. That can be affected by injuries, budget and a whole host of other things. I don't rate Pardew because his teams play football without any shape or direction, and generally by the end of most games the bloke in the other dugout has got his number. I think your last point is extremely pertinent. We often start games well, and Pardew prides himself on how well he "prepares" for the opposition but usually by the end we're either clinging on to a win for dear life or chasing the game and looking a complete mess. I've seen few poorer in-game managers at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He is shit like, i think we've all agreed on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Were you replying to me there? Were you replying to me there? I think it's acceptable to yell abuse at him because he's utterly f***ing s*** at his job and has been responsible for a few of the worst days I've experienced as a fan of NUFC. What I've paid is irrelevant, I'd much rather do it for free. I've never understood the view to boo your own players off the pitch. I'm sure a lot of fans thought this and it was kind of only on the extreme days the boo boys would come out but now it's like just accepted to boo every time a poor show or defeat takes place. Madness, does nobody any favours. Understand the odd frustrations standing up yelling at a couple of players now and then to buck their ideas up but some of the s*** Pardew/Jonas/Tiote get is just ridiculous. Bold part i was, first part just vented fury straight off as the boo boys entered my mind as i was about type about the people who stand up give out abuse to players/manager every week I don't think I've given abuse to a player regularly since Damien Duff f***ed off. The manager gets both barrels regularly though, and rightly so given our home form. You can't expect people to pay for expensive tickets, sit through a 6-0 defeat or a pasting off the mackems and just saunter off without being pissed off about it and showing that anger, it's preposterous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I certainly wouldn't have backed Moyes after finishing 17th. I highly doubt his teams looked like playing good football when they were getting beaten week-in week-out either. Maybe it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Pardew could somehow improve with all the experience and stability he's getting. I suppose our best option at this point is prayer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He said: 'We get criticised a lot for perhaps not over-spending and not perhaps being a little bit more ambitious in terms of our signings. 'But you can look at those other situations where it hasn't gone well, and Leeds are an example of that, unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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