Guest bimpy474 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Laudrup mentioned tiredness for the reason they conceded late last night A manager using the word tiredness for his players, shocking stuff. He doesn't use it every other week along with a flurry of other such bullshit though which is sort of the point. All managers talk s***, all make us excuses, very few do it almost every time they open their mouth. So he thought Swansea were good in the derby but only got done by a set piece at the weekend then blames tiredness midweek after another poor result. I'm only using Laudrup because i've watched Swansea in their last two games and heard Laudrup back them even though they've been poor in both but he hasn't once criticised anybody or took any blame himself. Majority of managers will look to make excuses and defend their players. It's nothing new. Yes the odd few flamboyant ones like Jose will have a bit of a slaughter but rarely do you see other managers tell it exactly like it is. Swansea didn't hoof it from the first whistle and make me want to vomit with the pathetic attempts at fooball, like we did last season though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Swansea didn't hoof it from the first whistle and make me want to vomit with the pathetic attempts at fooball, like we did last season though. The football's always been a different matter, criticising what you see on the pitch is absolutely fine obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Swansea didn't hoof it from the first whistle and make me want to vomit with the pathetic attempts at fooball, like we did last season though. The football's always been a different matter, criticising what you see on the pitch is absolutely fine obviously. Should in the main always be about the football imo. It's been better this season but we really are a massive up and down team at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I don't imagine anyone here pores over every word other managers say. You don't have to. You just have to notice them not making excuses every single time that they're interviewed. The only manager that I've ever known to always, always have an excuse is Tony Pulis. Everything was always about the ref, or Stoke being unlucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Think there's only one Pardew "supporter". Mike Ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Laudrup mentioned tiredness for the reason they conceded late last night A manager using the word tiredness for his players, shocking stuff. He doesn't use it every other week along with a flurry of other such bullshit though which is sort of the point. All managers talk s***, all make us excuses, very few do it almost every time they open their mouth. So he thought Swansea were good in the derby but only got done by a set piece at the weekend then blames tiredness midweek after another poor result. I'm only using Laudrup because i've watched Swansea in their last two games and heard Laudrup back them even though they've been poor in both but he hasn't once criticised anybody or took any blame himself. Majority of managers will look to make excuses and defend their players. It's nothing new. Yes the odd few flamboyant ones like Jose will have a bit of a slaughter but rarely do you see other managers tell it exactly like it is. Swansea didn't hoof it from the first whistle and make me want to vomit with the pathetic attempts at fooball, like we did last season though. Wasn't really me point like, but aye i'll give you our football was atrocious last season compared to Swansea. Doesn't take away from the fact they have a manager who refuses to take responsibility for results and looks to defend his players. Not that there is anything wrong with this, majority of managers do it. Just becomes accepted to an extent. Like Moyes slating Ashley Young’s diving when Everton manager, suddenly Young’s his player and he backs him up in the diving dispute. Tbh Bimpy, actually agree with your post previously where you mention not really paying much attention to what Pardew has to say in interviews before or after. Sort of do the same myself until the likes of ‘this is for Mike’ comes out which is only fair to be disgusted by. Dissecting every word of every interview for something he’s said which is wrong will just send you mad. The last I seen of him he said ‘We played our best football at Sunderland’, everyone knows it’s a load of shit, even he does but he’s just trying to gloss over a poor result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Laudrup mentioned tiredness for the reason they conceded late last night A manager using the word tiredness for his players, shocking stuff. He doesn't use it every other week along with a flurry of other such bullshit though which is sort of the point. All managers talk s***, all make us excuses, very few do it almost every time they open their mouth. So he thought Swansea were good in the derby but only got done by a set piece at the weekend then blames tiredness midweek after another poor result. I'm only using Laudrup because i've watched Swansea in their last two games and heard Laudrup back them even though they've been poor in both but he hasn't once criticised anybody or took any blame himself. Majority of managers will look to make excuses and defend their players. It's nothing new. Yes the odd few flamboyant ones like Jose will have a bit of a slaughter but rarely do you see other managers tell it exactly like it is. Swansea didn't hoof it from the first whistle and make me want to vomit with the pathetic attempts at fooball, like we did last season though. Wasn't really me point like, but aye i'll give you our football was atrocious last season compared to Swansea. Doesn't take away from the fact they have a manager who refuses to take responsibility for results and looks to defend his players. Not that there is anything wrong with this, majority of managers do it. Just becomes accepted to an extent. Like Moyes slating Ashley Young’s diving when Everton manager, suddenly Young’s his player and he backs him up in the diving dispute. Tbh Bimpy, actually agree with your post previously where you mention not really paying much attention to what Pardew has to say in interviews before or after. Sort of do the same myself until the likes of ‘this is for Mike’ comes out which is only fair to be disgusted by. Dissecting every word of every interview for something he’s said which is wrong will just send you mad. The last I seen of him he said ‘We played our best football at Sunderland’, everyone knows it’s a load of shit, even he does but he’s just trying to gloss over a poor result. Pardew says so much nonsense that it really has become a good sport, i suppose that's why its been called excuse bingo . I'm more interested in the football now and it has improved and improved immensely since last season. I'm mainly talking about the possession, while our defending is like us overall, erratic. Our attacking play is still lacking something. We need someone different but it is going to happen. Just hoping the football gets better and keeps improving is where i'm at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 "It is the first time we have lost Colo and looked more comfortable than when he's been out in the past. "That is a big boost for us as a group. "When you lose a player and you can't cope it affects everybody else. "We have proved we can cope without him and Cabaye and anybody because it is about the team. "It shows we are stronger in depth and that's good." "I think we've been in good form. "I said that before the Chelsea game. "It is very difficult to beat a team in top form like Chelsea were. "So all credit to the players, they've been fantastic." "This is the end of a difficult period for us because we have two games and it could put us in a great position if we get a win or draw Spurs. "It is an important game for our league position." "I think it was a reward for some of the good work that went on before where we didn't quite get the results we deserved. "We are in better shape than we have been given credit for. "There has been a lot more positive Press about our players who have been terrific." I don't see excuses, no downers about tiredness, it's all positive stuff about a result at Spurs and performances so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Name dat pardew supporter IMO Brett innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 We have played 13 games. 9.5 of these went as expected or better than expected. 3.5 were let downs. Those games are effectively the difference between 9th and 2nd. For a top 6-8 challenge I'd expect days like that and we are still in a more than good position going into the second quarter of the season. I think there is overdamnation at the moment, we are in a very nice position and there is more reason for hope than gloom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Name dat pardew supporter IMO Brett innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 There you go then, nobody whatsoever is willing to say they support Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 On a serious not though, i can't say i'm more of a supporter of him than the majority. I'm not one to hate on him and starting thinking 'If' we lose here or there he will be gone and that's fine because it's for the greater good and all that tosh. I just think he's just a bog standard manager similar to Hughton who probably should be managing a side in the league below. Difference is Pardew has the luxury of having a very good group of players at his disposal and i still think he can do a decent job with them. I fancy him to get us top 8 but more of a bumpy ride than it would be if we had a top a manager in charge. Pardew or anyone else, we still wouldn't be beating Liverpool to 6th spot though, we would just be more competitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I broke the dam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 "It is the first time we have lost Colo and looked more comfortable than when he's been out in the past. "That is a big boost for us as a group. "When you lose a player and you can't cope it affects everybody else. "We have proved we can cope without him and Cabaye and anybody because it is about the team. "It shows we are stronger in depth and that's good." "I think we've been in good form. "I said that before the Chelsea game. "It is very difficult to beat a team in top form like Chelsea were. "So all credit to the players, they've been fantastic." "This is the end of a difficult period for us because we have two games and it could put us in a great position if we get a win or draw Spurs. "It is an important game for our league position." "I think it was a reward for some of the good work that went on before where we didn't quite get the results we deserved. "We are in better shape than we have been given credit for. "There has been a lot more positive Press about our players who have been terrific." I don't see excuses, no downers about tiredness, it's all positive stuff about a result at Spurs and performances so far. Can't believe the silver haired cunt is having a dig at our Captain now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Total cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 "It is the first time we have lost Colo and looked more comfortable than when he's been out in the past. "That is a big boost for us as a group. "When you lose a player and you can't cope it affects everybody else. "We have proved we can cope without him and Cabaye and anybody because it is about the team. "It shows we are stronger in depth and that's good." "I think we've been in good form. "I said that before the Chelsea game. "It is very difficult to beat a team in top form like Chelsea were. "So all credit to the players, they've been fantastic." "This is the end of a difficult period for us because we have two games and it could put us in a great position if we get a win or draw Spurs. "It is an important game for our league position." "I think it was a reward for some of the good work that went on before where we didn't quite get the results we deserved. "We are in better shape than we have been given credit for. "There has been a lot more positive Press about our players who have been terrific." I don't see excuses, no downers about tiredness, it's all positive stuff about a result at Spurs and performances so far. Can't believe the silver haired c*** is having a dig at our Captain now Planting the seeds for a jan sale IMO I pretty much assumed that he's buying himself out of his contract at the end of this season to return to Argentina & he's already told the club he's doing so. It's the only way that he can return to Argentina as a player without breaking any rules, he's old enough to do it and he'll be far enough into his contract to allow it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 When possibly the most negative manager we've had in my lifetime continually calls the fans negative...we just accept it and keep chanting his name. I wish we were more like Scousers actually, then we might get something done. Spot-on as ever. This stuff's creeped in more and more since he's realised he can say it, get away with it and have it as yet another widely believed reason why he's battling adversity and doing a smashing job in the circumstances. That's a stretch, like. What's the aim of it then? Now that he's realised he can 'get away with it'. Why is he doing it? Is there an objective to it all? Guarding himself against criticism isn't he? The same reason that he gets his excuses in early, we heard about tiredness before the Chelsea game but not afterwards because we won. He's done a good job of lowering expectations, this is the next step. If our already low expectations (say, beating the worst team in the league) aren't met then we're still not allowed to be affected by it, and we're definitely not justified in criticising him or the team. He mentioned tiredness directly after a 120 minute game against Man City, didn't he? Not in the build up to the Chelsea game. He may not have mentioned tiredness after the game, but I remember Gouffran doing so. I don't know, this kind of dissection feels very womblemaster to me. What about the second half of my post? You asked what the aim of his comments were, that's my take on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 When possibly the most negative manager we've had in my lifetime continually calls the fans negative...we just accept it and keep chanting his name. I wish we were more like Scousers actually, then we might get something done. Spot-on as ever. This stuff's creeped in more and more since he's realised he can say it, get away with it and have it as yet another widely believed reason why he's battling adversity and doing a smashing job in the circumstances. That's a stretch, like. What's the aim of it then? Now that he's realised he can 'get away with it'. Why is he doing it? Is there an objective to it all? Guarding himself against criticism isn't he? The same reason that he gets his excuses in early, we heard about tiredness before the Chelsea game but not afterwards because we won. He's done a good job of lowering expectations, this is the next step. If our already low expectations (say, beating the worst team in the league) aren't met then we're still not allowed to be affected by it, and we're definitely not justified in criticising him or the team. He mentioned tiredness directly after a 120 minute game against Man City, didn't he? Not in the build up to the Chelsea game. He may not have mentioned tiredness after the game, but I remember Gouffran doing so. I don't know, this kind of dissection feels very womblemaster to me. What about the second half of my post? You asked what the aim of his comments were, that's my take on it. Dunno. It's your opinion. I'm not sure how I can comment, but I obviously don't agree that's what he's doing. I just don't see anything sinister about his comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Even if he is trying to lower expectations, managers always play up or play down their chances as befits their position and their objectives. I mean, Wenger goes to Crystal Palace saying they're a good team and it'll be a hard game, even though he knows Arsenal are going to walk it. It's just such a non-issue, the amount of time wasted on it is unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Key difference: a. Arsenal do walk it. b. We don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Key difference: a. Arsenal do walk it. b. We don't. Aye, obviously we aren't that good, but that's an issue about performance rather than the manager's quotes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 You're right Ian. The two are not related. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Key difference: a. Arsenal do walk it. b. We don't. Wenger is even more of a lying, unnecessarily negative shit then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 You're right Ian. The two are not related. Is this sarcasm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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