Dave Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 4-4-2. Cisse and Gouffran up front. Two central midfielders in the middle, two wide players out wide. Is it time to go back to something where we at least can tell players just to stay where the fuck they are picked? This is for the rest of the season I mean. Damage limitation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 We can't even do the basics under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Who knows? Surely today will tell the mug that setting us up negatively is pointless. Just have a fucking go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure it matter how we line up now, his negative outlook is going to shackle us whatever formation we use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 It's ironic that playing 4-4-2 was what got a lot of people wound up about Pardew in the first place, but I just feel that the 'shape' has got progressively worse in recent months. Culminating in today's fucking farce. Ignoring the personnel he picks, is Pardew over-complicating things by persisting with the 4-2-3-1 because it worked against a couple of opponents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thing is this daft cunt would even fuck up the basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure we'd be much better in a 4-4-2 now that we've got nobody to hit from back-to-front and nobody capable of holding the ball up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure he knows them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Two banks of 4 might see us fluke a win. Can't see what else will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure we'd be much better in a 4-4-2 now that we've got nobody to hit from back-to-front and nobody capable of holding the ball up. We hit it back to front and have nobody to hold the ball up now, I'm not really expecting much change on that front. I'm just trying to think of a way where we at least put round pegs in round holes. Just for the last few games, to try and give ourselves a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Don't think we have well-rounded enough midfielders to play it to be honest. I think if we went 4-4-2 then we'd have to drop Cabaye. I think 4-2-3-1 is fine but it needs to be done right. Elliot Debuchy Colo/MYM/Taylor Haidara Perch Sissoko Cabaye HBA Cisse Gouffran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not sure it matter how we line up now, his negative outlook is going to shackle us whatever formation we use. Couldn't give a shit as long as we get the points required tbh, then the c*nt go. ( preferably he can go now but i don't think that will happen) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Aye I suppose It might be worth a go, I think our version of the 4-2-3-1 is the worst I've ever seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Perch is shit, man. He shouldn't be anywhere near the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Has to be said, I think our problems are far worse than formations though. Something stinks and if that basic motivation/belief is missing, then it's pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 He started Perch because his bottle has gone and he was terrified so wanted to be as defensive as he could be. Thats as basic as it gets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Basics shouldn't be formation, it should be setting out what we actually do with the ball - that's the basics. - Who are the defenders passing it to? - Where are we looking to attack? -- Are we a team that uses the flanks? -- Are we a team that plays centrally? -- Does our width come from wingers or overlapping fullbacks? - Even getting the players to move and support each other would be the very first look at 'basics'. -- At the moment when we attack we've got our defensive line standing 30 yards from our own goal. -- Midfield line are standing on the half way line -- While the lone forward is standing on the edge of the opposition box isolated and alone -- Who is supporting from midfield? -- How are the wide players supporting? Do they stay out wide and look to hit the ball in? Or are they coming off the line to link up with Cisse? - Even defending needs basics -- Cisse is putting pressure on up high -- Yet midfield are standing on the half way line, there's no cover. -- Defense are still standing 30 yards from own goal That's all I can be bothered to type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 4-4-2. Cisse Shola and Gouffran up front. Two central midfielders in the middle, Cisse out wide. On a serious note though, it could work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome. However every week we do the same. Something needs to change. I worry who would play wide though. We have no wingers at the club at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Start our best XI, please. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatBeardo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If we go 442 it will be with Shola and Cisse up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 4-4-2. Cisse and Gouffran up front. Two central midfielders in the middle, two wide players out wide. Is it time to go back to something where we at least can tell players just to stay where the fuck they are picked? This is for the rest of the season I mean. Damage limitation. yes. too late to tinker and change best to just go with something everyone knows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Has to be said, I think our problems are far worse than formations though. Something stinks and if that basic motivation/belief is missing, then it's pointless. Oh I'm not saying for a second that this is any silver bullet. Pardew and his ideas need to go. I just think we look like a bunch of schoolkids at the moment, all running all over the place. If we're going to pick up some more points, it might be worth putting players where they normally play and just telling them to stay there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 One of the first things Keegan done when he took over from Allardyce was getting a team that was so devoid of confidence and afraid of playing football to get back to the basics of passing and moving. Unfortunately we don't have the time for that to happen between now and the end of the season. Like with the rest of Pardew's reign we have to hope that somebody will pull something out of nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I would line up like this personally.... Elliot Simpson Taylor Colo Haidara Ben Arfa Sissoko Cabaye Jonas Cisse Gouffran More in line with what Pardew knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I think we all know by now its beyond formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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