Village Idiot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Modric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Scholes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Modric can drive a team forward, that's the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Scholes The best attacking midfielder the PL's ever seen. Not a playmaker at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Arteta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Scholes The best attacking midfielder the PL's ever seen. Not a playmaker at all. Really? You thought the way he passed it around was substandard? I thought he was a great passer. He always seemed to know just when one of the FBs was arriving and would just ping out to them. That and many other great passes. Personally thought his passing was fantastic. If there was anything he was bad at i'd say it was tackling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Very good passer, beautiful, but never a playmaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Very good passer, beautiful, but never a playmaker. Alright, dumb question from me then, what's a playmaker to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 We're talking if central playmakers "work" in the PL. Scholes was a playmaker but at the crisp of his career he played behind the strikers. He's arguably remained a driving force for ManU when he moved to the middle of the park, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The ones you've mentioned that I haven't disagreed with, Carrick especially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I haven't seen him been enough of a dribbler or pacey enough for that role. To me he's a central playmaker, give him a bodyguard and let him move the ball around. By behind I meant in a normal CM position as James wrote it. Or am I confused? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I haven't seen him been enough of a dribbler or pacey enough for that role. To me he's a central playmaker, give him a bodyguard and let him move the ball around. Spot on VI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Incidentally I always found the "XXXX or YYYY doesn't work in this league" argument to be bollocks. It's not like English teams don't get beat by European teams that use the exact kind of players and tactics that supposedly "don't work". It's all about how good the players are and how well you execute the plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Scholes spent the last 5 years minimum, playing as a deep playmaker. Until this season, he was far better at it than Carrick. Previously, Carrick's had trouble consistently imposing himself in that regard. Not that he's not excellent at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Incidentally I always found the "XXXX or YYYY doesn't work in this league" argument to be bollocks. It's not like English teams don't get beat by European teams that use the exact kind of players and tactics that supposedly "don't work". It's all about how good the players are and how well you execute the plan. But it's 11 players playing that style. It's different when 10 are playing differently to 1. Like how Cesc isn't a CM in Spanish football anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Incidentally I always found the "XXXX or YYYY doesn't work in this league" argument to be bollocks. It's not like English teams don't get beat by European teams that use the exact kind of players and tactics that supposedly "don't work". It's all about how good the players are and how well you execute the plan. Such a lazy viewpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Problem with Cesc is that his best position is - rightfully - owned by Andrés Iniesta, not that his "style" isn't fit to the team/league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Incidentally I always found the "XXXX or YYYY doesn't work in this league" argument to be bollocks. It's not like English teams don't get beat by European teams that use the exact kind of players and tactics that supposedly "don't work". It's all about how good the players are and how well you execute the plan. But it's 11 players playing that style. It's different when 10 are playing differently to 1. Like how Cesc isn't a CM in Spanish football anymore. But that's down to a manager putting out a cohesive side with players that complement each other, not that a particular style or player can't compete in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 i don't disagree tbh. But I do think a slower game suits other leagues better than the PL- couldn't imagine Riqueleme playing well under any manager in the Premiership consistently like he did under Pellegrini. Like-wise quick and direct players are more suited to the Prem. Now someone like Alonso you would think, might struggle in the PL. But not only is he an elite player, he had a manager that understood how to get the best out of him in this league but fully understands what made him special in Spain. Alonso's better than Cabaye and Benitez is more shrewd than Pardew. This man played Hayden Mullins over Mascherano ffs. So yeah, I don't disagree but there's certain mileage in that line. By English football we really mean, "is not suited to kick and rush". It's doesn't matter as much if his team doesn't play kick and rush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The ones you've mentioned that I haven't disagreed with, Carrick especially. OK. Suppose Wishere fits into that catergory as well then. When playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Only read the opening post and first pagebut HBA is more talented than Marveaux and I love Marv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Tom Huddlestone, can't believe he's still floating around Spurs' B side. Lovely footballer has shown moments of class in the Premier League. Suprised a decent enough club hasn't took a chance on him. I'd start him for Spurs. Carrys a bit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Tom Huddlestone, can't believe he's still floating around Spurs' B side. Lovely footballer has shown moments of class in the Premier League. Suprised a decent enough club hasn't took a chance on him. I'd start him for Spurs. Carrys a bit like. Start ahead of who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Cabaye covers the ground okay, but he's not what you could call a quick or a strong runner. His passing is great, but he rarely gets past a man and is vulnerable under a physical challenge or when in tight spaces. So he tends to operate as a playmaker, behind most of the midfield and attack, where he has time and space to pick a pass. When he does get forward, again it's not often into the crowded penalty area, but a bit further back where he looks for a long-range shot. Ideally your playmaker can also defend a bit, because they're operating behind the midfield, but Cabaye's tackling is very poor. So there's a problem in finding his right role in a side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Tom Huddlestone, can't believe he's still floating around Spurs' B side. Lovely footballer has shown moments of class in the Premier League. Suprised a decent enough club hasn't took a chance on him. I'd start him for Spurs. Carrys a bit like. Start ahead of who? My three would be Sandro/Huddlestone/Dembele. Haven't seen enough of Holtby in Premier League to make my mind up on him (impressed in this tourney though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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