Wullie Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Wouldn't be the first time he's claimed to have a job lined up at the club that didn't actually exist tbf. He's mentally unhinged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Pardew has effectively been demoted in my opinion. Kinnear is effectively the manager now, with Pardew putting the cones out and running the training sessions i.e. the donkey work so that Kinnear doesn't keel over. This is honestly what I feel is going on. They've essentially gone about hiring Kinnear as manager in a more subtle manner. Ashley rates the guy, he's Ashley's man. Pardew was Llambias' guy. Sounds like to me you don't actually know what a director of football is.... Pardew is effectively the head coach now. The manager role doesn't exist in this set up; Pardew is the coach he chooses the team for match day, coaches the players and decides the tactics. Its Kinnear's job to make sure that the style of play is the same across all levels from the first team to the kids and of course the recruitment side of things. Kinnear doesn't have the criteria to do such a job IMHO but he's not effectively the manager because such a thing does not exist..... The Pardew's role hasn't changed one bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midstoon Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 JFK is his own media machine, of course he would announce this before the club he can't help running that fat cockney gob off to the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Has there been any confirmation from the club yet? The only quotes I've seen so far have been from Kinnear himself, and nobody seems to be quoting any 'anonymous sources' either. I wonder if there's some confusion behind the scenes. Presumably some clarification is going to be coming from the club today. You're in denial, if you think its a joke from Kinnears side. Normally an appointment like this is announced by the club. This story seems to be coming entirely from Kinnear. It's unusual. It hasn't been denyed, club are usually quick to deny stories like with Cabaye on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 decent summary of the whole charade here: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/more-football-factory-than-tyneside-factory-circus-back-in-town-as-joe-kinnear-returns-to-newcastle-united-8661022.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 decent summary of the whole charade here: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/more-football-factory-than-tyneside-factory-circus-back-in-town-as-joe-kinnear-returns-to-newcastle-united-8661022.html Would you be able to post up the text mate, it wont let me read it on work computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Pardew has effectively been demoted in my opinion. Kinnear is effectively the manager now, with Pardew putting the cones out and running the training sessions i.e. the donkey work so that Kinnear doesn't keel over. This is honestly what I feel is going on. They've essentially gone about hiring Kinnear as manager in a more subtle manner. Ashley rates the guy, he's Ashley's man. Pardew was Llambias' guy. Sounds like to me you don't actually know what a director of football is.... Does anybody? People who've been appointed 'Director of Football' have had completely different roles and responsibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 here it is: More football factory than Tyneside factory: Circus back in town as Joe Kinnear returns to Newcastle United Martin Hardy “Which one?” That was how the circus opened in October 2008. That was how Joe Kinnear made sure he would never be forgotten as a Newcastle United manager, no matter how good or bad a job he did, in the Newcastle media room at the club's Benton training ground, except it was a media room then only in that the media sat in it and it was a room. In truth, it was three leather settees positioned haphazardly, the whirring of a snack machine a reminder that journalists were not originally supposed to be there. Kinnear was unhappy with the coverage of his first day as Newcastle manager; it is worth remembering that it was as big as a surprise back then as it is now. Journalists were bemused that he had not cancelled the players’ day off to meet his squad. Players who, let’s not forget, were doing their best to get the club relegated from the Premier League, as, it appeared, was the owner. Television cameras were for once not allowed into that small room, tucked away on the very end of the training facility. Kinnear kept the journalists waiting two hours. Two hours is a long time in the company of other football writers, but it was worth it. Oh, it was worth it all right. No one will forget Joe Kinnear. How could you? Kinnear, with his greying, curly hair slicked back at the sides, bowled up – and he really did bowl up – and stood in the middle of that room. He could have been Danny Dyer’s old man. More Football Factory than Tyneside factory. His words have gone down in football folklore. The first words he spoke to the local press as Newcastle manager – “Which one?” – was to discover which player had been the most “out of order”. The first response he made was, “You’re a c**t.” Kinnear swore 52 times. It was theatrical gold. He gave and he got. He was 61 years old then. He had the hands of a man who has spent a life working with heavy machinery and the gnarled right finger pointed at those who had provoked the most ire. The left index finger and thumb held a bit of paper with names on it and the rage was such that the paper shook in his hand. Occasionally his voice trembled. Kinnear produced a press conference the likes of which I do not expect to witness for the rest of my career. How could you forget that? It is easier to forget the miserable record as a manager that followed. It appears Newcastle’s owner, Mike Ashley has, and in that there should be no real surprise. Newcastle had not been in the headlines for 26 hours (when a Yohan Cabaye link with Monaco had been denied, though that transfer seems more likely now). Twenty-six hours is a long time in Ashley’s world. So, on a rare, hazy and relaxed Sunday afternoon, Tyneside had another meteor dropped into its heart. It is 12 months since Graham Carr, the Newcastle chief scout, signed an eight-year contract. Three months later, Alan Pardew (left) and his back-room staff did the same. Yesterday afternoon they became subplots in the latest bizarre machinations of Ashley. Kinnear gave an interview yesterday as the new director of football of Newcastle United, admitting he had signed a three-year deal. He did not swear. More importantly, he did not sound like the director of football of Newcastle United. He sounded like the manager. “I’ve been very fortunate in my life as a manager,” he said. “I’ve been manager of the year three times and I’ve had a great football career so I think I’m ideal for this situation. “I’ve been waiting for the opportunity to come back. I’ve turned down managerial jobs in the lower leagues, because I felt I’d gone past that and I wanted to get my teeth into something in the Premier League.” Kinnear sounded like the manager of Newcastle United because he is the manager of Newcastle-in-waiting. Only something special can save Alan Pardew now and, say what you want, but he deserves better than this. Kinnear’s role is officially as a scout, but Carr will not let go of that role. Kinnear will also be a visible presence at the training ground. Ashley has undermined Pardew’s power with yesterday’s decision (and it is Ashley’s decision), but in doing so he has once more undermined his own reputation. In 12 months there has been another sea change in how to run a football club, and now a change to the group of people that were handed contracts until 2020 last year. Kinnear impressed no more yesterday in his new role as scout-cum-director of football than he did at the start of his reign as Newcastle manager. He again tried to popularise the myth that he had had problems because he was not from the North-east. “I didn’t realise Geordies are Geordies,” said the director of football at Newcastle United yesterday. Sometimes you cannot make this stuff up. “Would they object to someone who is Spanish?” he asked. Newcastle fans objected to the appointment of Kinnear because his record was poor and he had been out of the game for four years since his last job in football, at Nottingham Forest, where he left the club 22nd in the Championship. He said yesterday: “My record speaks for itself.” Let’s listen. He was forced to leave Newcastle as manager in 2009 because he was rushed to hospital before an away game at West Bromwich Albion. He underwent heart surgery. For the record, Kinnear’s record was, on average, two wins from every 10 games. The circus, once more, is back in town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I wish the journalists would challenge Kinnear when he says these things rather than just let him continually spout such nonsense. They, well those from the nationals, will. They know he's an easy target and will give them the lines they need to sell papers. It's already started. The next time he speaks in public expect a reaction to what's been printed today by Martin Hardy et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I'm still hoping some guy called Dave offered him a job and he's just jumped to conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Joe Kinnear's rant. Press officer: Let's get on to football. Let's have an agreement that everything said so far, if anyone has got their tapes on, it's wiped off and we're not discussing it. typical monty python Sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 The media team are going to be well worked this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shorty Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 So this wasn't all a dream then. I dont have the vocabulary to articulate how i feel about this. Ashley why just why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 These are the times I'd advocate violence in the streets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shorty Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Also the fact that this story broke in the way it did (from the mouth of a thundercunt) and even now a day later there is still no official word from the club sums up their attitude towards us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Has there been any confirmation from the club yet? The only quotes I've seen so far have been from Kinnear himself, and nobody seems to be quoting any 'anonymous sources' either. I wonder if there's some confusion behind the scenes. Presumably some clarification is going to be coming from the club today. You're in denial, if you think its a joke from Kinnears side. Normally an appointment like this is announced by the club. This story seems to be coming entirely from Kinnear. It's unusual. It hasn't been denyed, club are usually quick to deny stories like with Cabaye on Saturday. Well neither confirmed nor denied. The other thing that puzzles me is that with a story like this, every journo would be phoning up every source they have on their phone book, inside and outside the club, trying to get more information. So far, there doesn't seem to be anything beyond what's come from Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I'm still holding out for the club to come out and say that it's all been made up and Kinnear is literally mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Has there been any confirmation from the club yet? The only quotes I've seen so far have been from Kinnear himself, and nobody seems to be quoting any 'anonymous sources' either. I wonder if there's some confusion behind the scenes. Presumably some clarification is going to be coming from the club today. You're in denial, if you think its a joke from Kinnears side. Normally an appointment like this is announced by the club. This story seems to be coming entirely from Kinnear. It's unusual. It hasn't been denyed, club are usually quick to deny stories like with Cabaye on Saturday. Well neither confirmed nor denied. The other thing that puzzles me is that with a story like this, every journo would be phoning up every source they have on their phone book, inside and outside the club, trying to get more information. So far, there doesn't seem to be anything beyond what's come from Kinnear. There's to be a full (not really, obvs) explanation of events leading to his appointment in the local rags today. I'd assume that's because they've been briefed. If this wasn't true, they'd be saying that it's all uncomfirmed. They're not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Wish it wasn't going to be confirmed, but I'm sure it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 If you check George Caulkin's timeline he's just tweeted an interview he did with Sir Bobby after the famous "rant". Good words as expected Just reading back through an interview I did with Sir Bobby back in 2009, to publicise his book on Newcastle. Was not long after JFK's rant. Sir Bobby: "There are all sorts of words you could use to describe what's happened - & some have been vitriolic - but the one I'd use to express what I feel about the club is sadness. It's not just disappointing or outrageous or obnoxious, it's just sad how a big magnificent club like it is, could have reached this point." "How do headmasters or educationalists in Newcastle, reading that (Kinnear swearing), explain it to schoolchildren? I think it's more likely to encourage people to take up rugby." "A manager of NUFC speaking like that? It should never happen. It's a job of dignity, integrity and responsibility. We live in a wonderful part of the world, we really do, and NUFC is a fantastic club. "It's those 52,000 fans you feel sorry for. They wear their hearts on their sleeves, they turn up in rain, blow, shine or snow. There's a passion here that's rare. Even now, I pinch myself. " "To have been in charge of the club I supported, my father's club. If my dad had known that, he'd have been so proud he'd have somersaulted all the way to games." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 If you check George Caulkin's timeline he's just tweeted an interview he did with Sir Bobby after the famous "rant". Good words as expected Just reading back through an interview I did with Sir Bobby back in 2009, to publicise his book on Newcastle. Was not long after JFK's rant. Sir Bobby: "There are all sorts of words you could use to describe what's happened - & some have been vitriolic - but the one I'd use to express what I feel about the club is sadness. It's not just disappointing or outrageous or obnoxious, it's just sad how a big magnificent club like it is, could have reached this point." "How do headmasters or educationalists in Newcastle, reading that (Kinnear swearing), explain it to schoolchildren? I think it's more likely to encourage people to take up rugby." "A manager of NUFC speaking like that? It should never happen. It's a job of dignity, integrity and responsibility. We live in a wonderful part of the world, we really do, and NUFC is a fantastic club. "It's those 52,000 fans you feel sorry for. They wear their hearts on their sleeves, they turn up in rain, blow, shine or snow. There's a passion here that's rare. Even now, I pinch myself. " "To have been in charge of the club I supported, my father's club. If my dad had known that, he'd have been so proud he'd have somersaulted all the way to games." It's like I posted earlier in this thread, Ashley has sucked all the life and dignity out of this club. It's no longer the NUFC that I fell in love with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joe-kinnear-give-mike-ashley-4327019?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Joe Kinnear will give Mike Ashley his take on what went wrong 17 Jun 2013 On a day which stunned the football world Newcastle’s new director of football reveals blueprint for the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Hahaha guess what guys, i had the worst nightmare last night that JFK was back. Oh wait.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Until its on official site I am hoping its just this deluded cunt making a fool of himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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