Incognito Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The best way of describing muscle slowing you down would be to point to Frank Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Only a Spurs fan would say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Lee Clark seems a miserable bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Robert was a match-winner. He won us matches. Sometimes it might just be a freekick to sink L'pool at home. Sometimes a quality corner for Speed to nod home. But when you had him, Solano, Dyer, Bellamy, Shearer and Speed. You always felt we had a goal in us. Always. As did the opposition. Scared of us. Miss that whole mid set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I won't let Colo shag my wife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The best way of describing muscle slowing you down would be to point to Frank Bruno. It didn't slow his punches or footwork down until the end of the fight. It mainly stiffened him up and reduced the angles he could punch from. What Bruno's trainers were thinking of in letting him hit the weights to that extend is beyond me. Not that he was ever really capable of achieving more than he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ameobi used to have good pace when he was skinny, look at him now. Probably the second daftest one you'll read in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I hate Norwich's new home top and I've only seen people think it's lush. Looks so League Two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Only a Spurs fan would say that. I think Ledley was class tbf, like Woodgate he would have been immense if he was ever fit for a decent run of games. England would have had an amazing selection of centre backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Only a Spurs fan would say that. I think Ledley was class tbf, like Woodgate he would have been immense if he was ever fit for a decent run of games. England would have had an amazing selection of centre backs. Okay but those are what-if's. Sol Campbell was a better player.. in part because his knees worked. Ledley may have had more potential, more talent... but Sol Campbell was the better player. Ledley never hit the heights, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 No doubt Ledley was excellent. But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played) Talent wise it would be different - granted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 No doubt Ledley was excellent. But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played) Talent wise it would be different - granted. Agree with that. Woodgate possibly had more talent than all but Rio and Ledley but his body and his attitude let him down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 No doubt Ledley was excellent. But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played) Talent wise it would be different - granted. Agree with that. Woodgate possibly had more talent than all but Rio and Ledley but his body and his attitude let him down. Take injuries away from the equation, Woodgate is superior to all, imho of course. As it is I go Sol- Rio - Woodgate - Terry - King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Nah. You look at Owen, he was also injury-prone but he had a good 5-6 year prime where you could really rank him among his peers. Woodgate? Nope. We can only discuss talent and even then i'm not sure he's more talented than King or Ferdinand. Rio went to Leeds and was captain within a year of joining. I loved Woodgate as a player but he was a bit of a Myth. While Rio has been at the top of the pile for over a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Best British/Irish central defenders I've seen . McGrath, Walker, Hansen, Lawrenson, Butcher and Adams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Campbell was very good but he was made to look better than he was by having Gilberto infront of him for Arsenal. Ferdinand, Woodgate and King were far more natural defenders. By that I should say made defending look easier than it should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 In terms of talent and intelligence I'd have Rio, Ledley and Woodgate at the peak of English defenders I've seen. I've always thought Carragher was pap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries. And a lifestyle of getting pissed and not looking after himself properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries. And a lifestyle of getting pissed and not looking after himself properly. I don't really know much about that, or whether it affected his football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries. Dude, I saw the way Woodgate conducted himself when I lived in Boro and spoke to a dozen people who grew up with the lad. Everything I saw and heard screamed utter small-time cunt who's natural talent would've been far better used by 95% of the population. Absolute waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either. Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries. Dude, I saw the way Woodgate conducted himself when I lived in Boro and spoke to a dozen people who grew up with the lad. Everything I saw and heard screamed utter small-time cunt who's natural talent would've been far better used by 95% of the population. Absolute waste. I'll bow to your superior knowledge. Like I say, I don't know much about his private life or whether it contributed to his lack of fitness or was just made worse by frustration over always being injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Weeks after signing for fucking Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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