Guest bimpy474 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Where did i mention blame? I said we had a part in the results, by the time we played Stoke/Swansea people were unhappy. He headbutted someone against Hull, caused a lot of discontent & pressure on the side from the media claiming he should then be sacked. The side already dealt poorly with pressure, we had a couple tough matches & it all ran together. Him playing Dan Gosling for fun didnt help matters, but the atmosphere of the situation had a strong part to play. You're talking about a side that cannot turn a game around after losing a goal & its controversial for me to suggest they didnt deal well with the atmosphere/discontent at that time? Ok. Everything you say is because of Pardew, tactically we're inept, we don't turn games around because he is a coward who sets up to not concede and when we do he's stumped. The team's lack of confidence comes frm the manager who constantly tells them we can't compete. There is no part played by the fans for that, and most definitely not a big part. Honestly i can't believe you think that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mock indignation all over the shop then. Fair play. Really ? this has me sad, very sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I dont disagree that it comes from the manager. Their mentality is vulnerable under Pardew, who we were under at that time & there was a lot of pressure on the side. Nothing im saying is controversial. He headbutted someone, we lost a couple games poorly & it creates a pressure from the fanbase directly & indirectly via the media. He was asked most weeks after that whether he thought his job was safe. Im saying if the pressure continues, he can not get players performing. If it doesnt, i believe he has a better chance & will pull out average results. I dont see us getting relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I dont disagree that it comes from the manager. Their mentality is vulnerable under Pardew, who we were under at that time & there was a lot of pressure on the side. Nothing im saying is controversial. He headbutted someone, we lost a couple games poorly & it creates a pressure from the fanbase directly & indirectly via the media. He was asked most weeks after that whether he thought his job was safe. Im saying if the pressure continues, he can not get players performing. If it doesnt, i believe he has a better chance & will pull out average results. I dont see us getting relegated. I understand what you're saying (obviously i don't agree), but imo the pressure on the players has been very light from the fans, especially after seeing some of the worst performances i've seen from any of our teams in 30 years. As for him, he deserves all the pressure in the world. He constantly talks the team, area and club down. And still a fair chunk like him and think he's hard done by. When he should have been chased away a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I agree that a negative stadium tends to make the players more nervous than they otherwise would be, but we were getting thorough bummings long before anyone in the stadium started voicing their concerns. I have no interest in letting up in order to allow Alan Pardew to do well enough to achieve a 14th place Premier League finish. I'd prefer to give them as much shit as possible and watch us end on 0 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Pardew and the players got a spectacularly easy ride last season IMO, aside from the very end. In fact the season ended just at the right time for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 There wasnt pressure as in fans were angry with x player or the side, just that an atmosphere was created that fan expectation was at the heart of following his headbutting incident. A general feeling that things should be better for the fans, who were watching cack & had nowt to shout about. It created pressure. Id be happy for that to continue myself, not blaming anyone in a negative way like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Personally apologise to Ronaldo though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Doubt we'll get relegated unless the discontent amongst fans continues. That was the main cause of our poor run. Pardew can get average results from average players, he's done it before. He actually has a harder time with players of quality. We'll be lower midtable i'd imagine. That's the bit I find pretty astonishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Utter horseshit on every level. Fans have given greater decent to other fans protesting at the messed up state of things than have a go at pardew for any prolonged run. He's even had give us a wave following the worst of the results and batterings. I suppose this pressure only lasted for the 6 games that he bleated on about ad naseaum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 That was the main cause of our poor run - discontentment. Its not written brilliantly like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The main cause? Main? As in primary? Biggest contributing factor? Nah mate sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unbelievable Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 When in a hole... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I would say that conceding a ridiculous of goals was more a big part of our bad run. Also not for the first time Jayson likes to the put the blame on the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 http://i.minus.com/irtUm5zgFQIVQ.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Ive put a sound argument on this page man, you lot just love to have a go. Yes i believe it was the primary reason we did poorly. I believe the protests & general discontentment the season we were relegated also had an affect on the players at that time. I believe that negative atmospheres around a football club will affect the players playing in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Cue: JAYSON SAYS FANS ARE TO BLAME FOR RELEGATION SEASON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 You deserve Pardew and Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Whys that sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The players, board and manager were let off lightly last season. Only once (Cardiff) did they get anywhere near the flak they deserve. If anything apathy, doing fuck all about the situation had any kind of effect on our results, players coasting, not being committed, manager feeling like he can get away with anything...that happened because the crowd were muted by the actions of the board. Can't see that happening again next season, hope those who do go are on their backs from the moment of the first whistle, right till the last kick in May 2015. No fucking let up, nowhere to hide, boo the cunt every time he leaves the dugout and make sure he knows and the world fucking knows the spineless arrogant transparent cunt is not wanted here and certainly won't be tolerated any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Discontentment doesnt just exist in isolation to itself though? It's either rational or irrational and many would argue it's rational on the grounds that a momentous level of fuck ups have been made at PR, management and player level. Surely they are larger and the reason for any discontent in the first place. The fans had more of an effect than anything else? I'm all for listening to opinion but that's hard to fathom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 [move] JAYSON SAYS FANS ARE TO BLAME FOR RELEGATION SEASON[/move] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 So your saying that discontent is what caused the poor run of form, discontent that didn't start until the final 4 games of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Not gonna reply to everyone. To be clear - the Cabaye excuse for our results was used less for example following the headbutt incident as the narrative for why Newcastle were doing badly changed as Pards was no longer a saint. Discontentment amongst the fans then stood out more in general, in the media especially. This created pressure, which i think Pardew/the side could not handle. I dont see anyone saying fans were directly angry with the side & caused the results which is the debate that seems to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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